Wraith form question

[andreascott89]

I am leveling up a PM and was looking at the different undead forms on the wiki.

The wiki reports that zombie form and vampire form have light damage vulnerabilities. I am experiencing that right now in zombie form and it stinks! Anyway, wraith form does not mention anything about vulnerable to light...is that true? Does wraith form just take normal light damage??

Thanks,

J

[Galeria]

Wraiths take double damage from light spells, vampire takes quadruple damage.

[andreascott89]

Thanks for the fast reply and...booooooooo bad answer!

[wax_on_wax_off]

The way to combat light vulnerability stinking is to work on your HP.

[richieelias27]

And to never ever go Vampire in a quest with lots of light damage.

[Failedlegend]

The way to combat light vulnerability stinking is to work on your HP.

I'm guessing you've never played a Palemaster....Sunburst and other light spells can do up to 600 damage on a in form Palemaster even more if your in vampire form (which you should NEVER do)...HP value has nothing to do with it. The vulnerability is ridiculous.

[Zerenety]

Just like Negative energy absorption, there should be implented Light energy absorption.
A Palemaster is very vunerable to a nuke effect when encountering light spells, which is sad tbh...

Think about it, Seering light has NO SAVE. Sun Burst has a reflex save, but Undead allready take extra damage from it.
Another good reason to pick Insightful Reflexes

Anyway, I think Light absorption needs to be considered.....

[Mister_Peace]

Epic Phiarlan Mirror Cloak will give you Light resist 30 if crafted or cleared after Update 11.

[Darkrok]

Yeah, I almost gave up on pale master due to Vampire form. I took Mental Toughness (pre-req for Wraith), took Wraith form, and now I almost with I could go Wraith instead of Lich all the time.

[mwgarn]

Epic Phiarlan Mirror Cloak will give you Light resist 30 if crafted or cleared after Update 11.

Only problem with that is you get vamp at lvl 12... Needs to be lower level versions of light resistance items.

[Failedlegend]

Epic Phiarlan Mirror Cloak will give you Light resist 30 if crafted or cleared after Update 11.

First off its an EPIC item it can't be used for 90% of the game

Second off its 30pts not much off of 400-600ish damage we need something more like Positive energy absorption...even just 20% would block around 80-120 damage.

Like the effect on this item but Positive.



or like the effect on this item but again positive.

[richieelias27]

First off its an EPIC item it can't be used for 90% of the game

Second off its 30pts not much off of 400-600ish damage we need something more like Positive energy absorption...even just 20% would block around 80-120 damage.

Like the effect on this item but Positive.



or like the effect on this item but again positive.

Wouldnt it take the 30 off the top before weakness is considered? if so that would actually be an effective 120 point reduction.

[andreascott89]

Think about it, Seering light has NO SAVE. Sun Burst has a reflex save, but Undead allready take extra damage from it. Another good reason to pick Insightful Reflexes

Hmm. My PM is 18/2 with a splash of monk, so I will have evasion + insightful reflexes. Will that make light damage not much of a problem for me later on with more HP? In other words, at high levels, do most of the light damage spells that are in the insta-death range (250+hp damage...times 2) have a reflex save or not?

Thanks!

J

[Shishizaru]

Hmm. My PM is 18/2 with a splash of monk, so I will have evasion + insightful reflexes. Will that make light damage not much of a problem for me later on with more HP? In other words, at high levels, do most of the light damage spells that are in the insta-death range (250+hp damage...times 2) have a reflex save or not?

Thanks!

J

As Zerenity already noted, Searing Light has no save, but Sunburst does (Reflex). (There are only 4 light spells in the game. If a mob ever throws a Nimbus at you for whatever reason, you should be able to laugh that ~40 damage off pretty easily. And I think Divine Punishment is player only)

Searing Light has decent range and sometimes spammed. A single ray shouldn't one shot you though, assuming you have a decent chunk of your HP.

Sunburst does extra damage to undead (1d3+3 per caster level, max level 25 I think). Factor in your extra vulnerability to light, and you can easily get (nearly) one-shotted on a failed save.

[Alternative]

Rather than adding more items that people have no room for they should revise the number PMs get hit for. Sunburst in epic desert quests hits lich/wraith form for 500+ so a vampire will take DOUBLE that? Whats the point of the mirror cloak anyway?

Combat: you were hit for 970 points of light damage after 30 were blocked by damage reduction?

Really, that's balanced?

Reminder: WF necro archmages get equal necro DCs and have no such vulnerability.

Also as for leveling, just recently I was TRing my fully geared pm and yea, while I was fine, new players are screwed. Undead wight priest everywhere appear in packs of 2-3. One shot is already enough at undergeared first life PM (no GS hp item, no gfl, even if decent con)

It IS something to reconsider IMO.

[Mrmorphling]

I'm a long time PM player and light vuln is a problem but not a life threatening one, at least after you get rid of the vampire form (lich).

In lich (or wraith) form an avg searing light will hit you for 100ish dmg; suburst is a slighly different topic as you'll have a 5% (as you should never fail the reflex unless on a 1 on a decently built PM) to receive 500 dmg from Horoth and epic Malice (the only 2 sunburst caster with high caster lvl and metamagic feats i can remember from the top of my head).

[kuro_zero]

They spam sunburst in sunken parish - not sure what caster level as was playing a WF AM (heh, sounds like a radio station)