Most useless class in DDO?

[Krago]

I know there is no useless class, but what class you accept last when you create LFM?

Commoner. I dont care how many times he TRed or how uber his rubber chicken is, just no.

[bendover]

Ranger

[danotmano1998]

The most useless class in DDO is Piker. They do nothing!

Followed closely by Druid. Tree hugging good for nothing nature lovers! Seriously. Quit cuddling the squirrels and start hitting things!!!

[somenewnoob]

Hi, I'm Maarl. I'm Canadian. And my rogue sustains 640 HP while often in the 700's. I'll be pleased to kick your face in any day of the week. And since you like slandering rogues, I'll bring Merloc. His rogue is stank nasty and you'll never walk the same again.

What's that you say ay? Not sure what that's all aboot.

[DragonKiller]

Bad players are the only useless class.

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This.

Every class well played is an asset to the party, every class poorly played is a determent to the party.

And to the Ranger haters... try building one... a good one (i.e. unless they do something to change ranged not a ranged focused one).

[Sarisa]

Not "class", but more class/race combination that just screams out "squishy!" or "don't waste your healing" or "I'm going to kite all over the place!!1!". There are, of course, great players with these combinations, but the "bad" tends to outweigh the good in the PUG scene.

Drow Rogues - Commonly dex/int based, dump con, low HP, low fort ("I don't get hit!"), can't contribute outside of the trap bonus (which is used to make up for their -10% ding penalty).

Elven Rangers - While there are many good melee Rangers, and some good AA Rangers; most of the ones you'll see are AA builds that maxed DEX, dumped STR, don't carry melee weapons, don't carry Resists/FoM, dump con, have low HP and fort ("I don't get hit!"), and expect the party to cater to their kiting huge groups around while SLOWLY plinking them to death.

Those two combinations I cringe the most on.

Other class combinations that have a more even distribution of "good vs. bad":

Drow Sorcerers - Many are good, many dump con and don't compensate for their lower HP with items. Many lately don't carry Haste. I can understand not having Extend, or GH, but not Haste.

Drow Wizards - With Pale Master allowing for FAR better survival along with many other caster benefits, this combination is nowhere near as "cringeworthy" as it once was. Some PM's however still don't understand that they're not nearly immortal without getting the rare loot needed to make them so.

Warforged Barbarians - Far too many have not invested any time in acquiring Healing Amp gear (Blood docent shards are cheap and easily crafted or bought, and work great until you get a DT/Claw Set). Far too many feel that Healer's Friend 1 isn't even worth taking. When you run an epic Small Problem, and have to spend 6,000SP keeping one Barb up, while the rest of the group takes under 1,500SP for all five put together, there is a problem.

[Symerith]

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Wow. Did u start ddo yesterday? LOL.

I very often see rog's rip agro from barbs. Granted neither is built right(the barb too weak, rog no hate reduct) and i run epics with mine before I TR'ed, soloing many epics. I Still don't get the 'no endgame player plays rog'

Rog is the 'best' class hands down in ddo, since they can gobble up a splash or 2 of any other class and gain so much, have amazing synergy with almost every other class, are (at least till artificer here) the only ones able to dance inside traps while removing that threat from the other party members, the only ones who can be built as tank, as support, as dps, as whatever the player chooses(no other class has that flexibility)

Yes there are SOME rogs who haven't gotten past lv 10 who are squishy. But anyone who 'knows' the class will surprise you. Open up your world and accept rog's when they join. Sure some will make you sign when they die to a kobolds sneeze, but some will also impress you.

Among the 20-40 best power gamers and epicly geared players on my server, I don't think any of them has a rogue. Why? Because it's so easy to make an evoker or nuker that is able to do sooo much more than a rogue.
Any WF FvS built correctly can tank, offensive cast, heal & melee. And the rogue? Disable traps that can be avoided in 90% of the content.

In my opinion, monks have more syngergy. 2 more feats, better saves vs trapsmithing & SA.
Anyway, as I said, I agree a rogue correctly built can outDPS a barb but SERIOUSLY, that is THEORY, how many rogues with more than 350 HP do you see out there? Take the time to myDDO some of these "ubber" rogues and you'll laugh quite often.

End game content = higher fort = the end of rogue's paradise.

... the only ones who can be built as tank, as support, as dps, as whatever the player chooses(no other class has that flexibility)

I laughed here.
WF FvS are far superior to those rogues. Granted, less DPS meleeing but then you have DP, BB, etc.
A rogue that can tank better than a WF with immunities & 35 DR?

Yes there are SOME rogs who haven't gotten past lv 10 who are squishy. But anyone who 'knows' the class will surprise you. Open up your world and accept rog's when they join. Sure some will make you sign when they die to a kobolds sneeze, but some will also impress you.

Laughed again. You said SOME, the correct version is TOO MANY.

But anyone who 'knows' the class will surprise you.

And you'll be surprised by the low number of people who 'know' the class.

Open up your world and accept rog's when they join. Sure some will make you sign when they die to a kobolds sneeze, but some will also impress you.

As I said, I always accept anyone, even though it's a rogue, but I'm better of with a barb. At least, I'm not worried about the HP bar dropping to 0 in a few seconds.
And yes, I know a FEW rogues who really are excellent players.

[xSeverinax]

Coyles.


If a rogue is grabbing aggro from a barb in a raid, one of them is doing it wrong.

If the rogue is grabbing aggro from the barb then they are both doing it wrong!

I've never seen a rogue grab aggro from a barb in a raid, and they die pretty fast due to lower HP.

Yes, I know all rogues do not have a low HP but how many end game players & epic oriented players play with a rogue? That should answer your question.

That depends on if the rogue player knows how to build and play a rogue, I know several very good rogues who regularly run epics, a friend of mine used to solo epic Claw of Vulkoor in a matter of minutes - less than 10, but I can't remember exactly. I run epics, and soloed some, on my pure assassin prior to TR'ing. A first life pure assassin will get 17D6 + 12 SA damage, stealing aggro means that sweet damage is lost. Many things will reduce the aggro you get such as rogue subtle backstab enhancement line, Tharnes set, several weapons have the threat reduction property. Add in correct tactics and use of bluff / diplo and you should never see a rogue steal aggro from a barb unless the barb is really badly built. Oh and my rogue had 517 HP before I TR'd, not including rage / madstone / yugo pots and only a +2 con tome.

[ocifferdave]

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Rog is the 'best' class hands down in ddo ...

Ever see a 6 person party with mostly or all rogues? That would be awesome.

EDIT: 6 rogue party each with casting clickies. FUN--I want that in my life.

[Symerith]

Not allowed to have my own opinion?

The top 6 reasons why I'm always reluctant to accept a rogue in my raids are :

#6 DDO isn't just a paradise land where all mobs have 0% fort.
#5 Most rogues I see around are terribly built, with low HP.
#4 A lot of new players find the ranger and rogue class attracting and start with those, without "knowing" how to play one.
#3 The skills you talked about can be taken by oh so many other classes. That's just a terrible reason. Sad you think so.
#2 90% of the traps in end game content can be avoided and therefore makes the rogue less useful. (I almost said useless).

and #1 Because just like you, Smiter, a lot of rogues are morons who curse the healer or the tank.

[Bodic]

I can say this for fact in the early lvls even GH I will take my rogue into S&B spam intim with subtle backstab off to pull aggro as I can maintain good AC and moderate damage especially with a RadII in hand.

I will let others do the DPS and save the whole party on Healing maintenance.

Its the PLAYER not the CLASS.

I am no good with an AA, but I have many friends that are. I would take their AA over a Horc Barb.

My friends expect me to be either on my evoker FvS or my Rogue. They get confused when thy say Bod get that trap, and I respond uhm not on my rogue.

I can see why people have issues with classes, but its the player, and to some degree gear.

The Kill count means nothing even the piker can dish out the last swing on a mob.

[Horkrux]

I'm probably going to take some heat from this..

Ranger

Lets see what roles they can fulfil

Dps spot : no
heal spot: no
Traps : maybe.


overall rangers are just a mediocre class. They need revamped.

[Backley]

Artificer. They are so bad that I haven't seen anyone roll one yet.

[somenewnoob]

Artificer. They are so bad that I haven't seen anyone roll one yet.

I haven't seen a lfm accepting one either.

[Symerith]

Its the PLAYER not the CLASS.

Agreed, and that's why so many rangers and rogues suck. Because free players start playing with those classes, not knowing how to correctly build one. Let's be realistic, I'm not saying the rogue class in itself sucks, I'm saying most players who play a rogue do not know how to play one.

[der_kluge]

Any cleric with a name like "Blastmaster" or something like that.

Second choice would be folks with uber bizarre, gimpy builds - or sorc/wiz, or cleric/FvS - or something that just screams "I don't know what I'm doing".

But I don't think I've ever rejected anyone, actually.

[xSeverinax]

Ever see a 6 person party with mostly or all rogues? That would be awesome.

Yep, a 10 rogue shroud, 1 healer and a bard who didn't fight but buffed the party. There is a huge thread about it on here somewhere, it happened on the Thelanis server, there are screne shots and a video of it as well.

[Symerith]

Why a healer & a bard? Rogues are so awesome they don't need heals or buffs ! They can do it all !

[fatherpirate]

Rangers have many things going against it IN ddo...they are better in PnP

They are missing a bunch of things

1. Rng combat is gimpt by default because DDO jacks up melee combat numbers of attacks per rnd way past PnP.

2. Rng animal companion is gimpt due to it's very low cr compared to it's masters level

3. Rng are SUPOSTED to be able to disarm traps as a cross class skill and also set traps.

4. Rng are SUPOSTED to be able to track...a unused skill in DDO, most D+D games allow Rng to track enemy on
mini map

Given all that...they are generally the weakest link in the combat classes

[Ganak]

I see many responses of Ranger.

Early in the game's history ranger's were a shunned class and then with the release of the Tempest PrC, for a couple years they were the hottest dps class to have. With the release of other PrC's (Kensei/FB/Etc), it's funny to see it all come full circle.