PUG lfm etiquette

[Thaxlsillyia]

Having a little difficulty understanding what is expected from the dozens of "we are doing this quest but do not join if you need this awesome item that drops here" lfm that pop up everyday.. mostly for weapon shipment... is it just to increase the probability of the item dropping? if so are the folks joining for improving your number game expected to do anything? after all you want my loot...

[somenewnoob]

I don't see many of these on Cannith. I don't think I would ever join one if I did see it. Seems like you are basically a servant for the leader......help with the quest......give up the loot that he wants. No thanks. Not for me.

[Asketes]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

[LordPiglet]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

Why? Just put up your own lfm, it will probably fill faster. Some if these lfm's are from people just worn out from farming. It's pretty common for people to mention what they're looking for in an epic group anyways, bit I have no problem with these lfm's. Personally I will join them as I have had some some lucky getting most of the easy stuff I want, these people generally will put anything the get but that item up. I know I run snitch for the mask of comedy seal, and that seal only. I only ran party crashers for the ringleader seal. I'll still join some stuff just for the scroll chance and token, but I am really not in it for seals.

Edit: I have pulled some nice shards joining the edq spell storing ring ones(including firestorm greaves), I already have my epic bracers, so I'd join that one too.

[Unreliable]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

Im sorry, but if you join a group where the leader is asking for a specific item and you agree to his condition and then do no abide by his condition, I think this is wrong.

However dumb it may be, if you do not like the conditions set by the leader in the LFM just DONT JOIN. Make your own group instead, or wait for another.

For other quests like weapon shipment I dont see this being too big of a deal, but when I fully clear quests like epic ATDQ pre raid on epic and ask that party members who join abide by 1 rule and pass a spellstore shard if they get it (In exchange for saving them 20-45 minutes of time) I would be really upset if they did not listen and took it for themselves even after I did all the work.

[Ungood]

Im sorry, but if you join a group where the leader is asking for a specific item and you agree to his condition and then do no abide by his condition, I think this is wrong.

However dumb it may be, if you do not like the conditions set by the leader in the LFM just DONT JOIN. Make your own group instead, or wait for another.

Exactly! Really. No is forcing you to join this LFM's. If you do not like them, do not join them.

[Fourfingers]

(specifically for weapon shipment because people are after the bauble)

usually/hopefully it's because the caster or cleric is after the bauble and they want to fill with melees or other casters/clerics who already have it. think of it as (somewhat) free xp.

Their perspective is, only join if you don't want it. And hopefully if you pull one (and because you don't want it) you will pass it to them. If you don't like the LFM then you're free to put up your own.

I would expect that if someone were going to request/require you to pass your loot over that you would be sufficiently compensated for it (larges)

[k1ngp1n]

(specifically for weapon shipment because people are after the bauble)

usually/hopefully it's because the caster or cleric is after the bauble and they want to fill with melees or other casters/clerics who already have it. think of it as (somewhat) free xp.

Their perspective is, only join if you don't want it. And hopefully if you pull one (and because you don't want it) you will pass it to them. If you don't like the LFM then you're free to put up your own.

I would expect that if someone were going to request/require you to pass your loot over that you would be sufficiently compensated for it (larges)

I never join these LFMs, period. It is, however, a really good way to find out who the current crop of hopelessly bad players are.

[Asketes]

I never join these LFMs, period. It is, however, a really good way to find out who the current crop of hopelessly bad players are.

Not sure how you get the adjective "bad" in there. skill has nothing to do w/ lfm etiquette.

[protokon]

Not sure how you get the adjective "bad" in there. skill has nothing to do w/ lfm etiquette.

perhaps he meant bad attitudes? there's plenty of players out there I consider bad players, not because they aren't skilled at the game but because they have pretty sour attitudes. In fact I am sure there are people out there that consider me a bad player for the same reason, catching me in a bad mood ect...

[Asketes]

perhaps he meant bad attitudes? there's plenty of players out there I consider bad players, not because they aren't skilled at the game but because they have pretty sour attitudes. In fact I am sure there are people out there that consider me a bad player for the same reason, catching me in a bad mood ect...

fair enough, I didn't read it like that. This makes sense okay

thanks for the clarification

[Miow]

a player can be bad and have more skill then the whole party combined.

[Ilindith]

Join, get the item, loot it, /point, /laugh.

[Ugumagre]

Join, get the item, loot it, /point, /laugh.

I am not sure... I was thinking more like /laugh and then /dance
But anyway... I never hit an LFM ... so, just my fantasy

[TheDjinnFor]

Having a little difficulty understanding what is expected from the dozens of "we are doing this quest but do not join if you need this awesome item that drops here" lfm that pop up everyday.. mostly for weapon shipment... is it just to increase the probability of the item dropping? if so are the folks joining for improving your number game expected to do anything? after all you want my loot...

Those lfms are fairly rude in the sense that the player isn't even bothering to offer anyone anything. Mostly I don't find those fill very fast... although I saw a Claw run the other day that filled up in a minute even though the person wanted people to pass them one of the claw set seals.

A better lfm would be "Pike this for free XP, but if the bauble drops you must give it to me".

I've also seen and joined many a DA group where the person solos it and then throws up an lfm to give the next 5 joiners 3 free chests in exchange for passing the leader a silver handwrap/falchion/khopesh/etc. if any of them happen to drop.

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

So you admit you're a griefer then?

-1. Because people like you deserve to get a wake up call.

[Asketes]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

So you admit you're a griefer then?

-1. Because people like you deserve to get a wake up call.

um really? Did you read my post I said if I need it i'll loot it. I specifically said i won't loot if I don't need it.

You don't know me or have any idea who I am mate.

really? dude how many threads have you and I posted in, you should **** well know by know that's not how I roll.

seriously?

My point was that there's no real reason to have an lfm up like that, generally I'll join them and have a good time with whoever it is. I also will usually say something like "Hey I'm gonna run this once or twice on my caster, then a few more times on someone who doesn't need it. That way I'll toss it to ya if I get it on one of them"

See how that works? It's a positive instead of a negative.

You really should ask before assuming, you know what they say about that.

[TheDjinnFor]

Maybe I am wrong, but stating that you -1 rep someone, is against the forum rules.

You are causing him/her distress and is a provocation. If you want to neg rep him/her, do it privately, and that´s it.

It causes unnecesary flame and a dirail.

And stealth neg repping someone can be seen as wrong, since it causes people distress when it happens and provokes them into starting threads about it or derailing the topic. It goes both ways, and it really just depends on who the person is and whether or not they can handle criticism. Whether or not its anonymous doesn't change things.

I always tell people that I've neg repped them and I've yet to be told off for it. Maybe I'll get an infraction, maybe I won't.

Whether or not the conditions set forth on the LFM and agreements between players can and should be violated on a whim is very on topic when it comes to "PUG lfm etiquette".

My point was that there's no real reason to have an lfm up like that, generally I'll join them and have a good time with whoever it is. I also will usually say something like "Hey I'm gonna run this once or twice on my caster, then a few more times on someone who doesn't need it. That way I'll toss it to ya if I get it on one of them"

See how that works? It's a positive instead of a negative.

You really should ask before assuming, you know what they say about that.

Oh come on. You made yourself quite clear when you said you'd "join anyways" and "just loot it" to give them "a wakeup call". There's not much left to assume there. If you want to tell me you made a mistake and that's not what you meant when you wrote that, fine, but really now.

How else do you suppose people will interpret those words? There's a big different between "I'd join anyways and just loot it to give him a wakeup call" and something like "I'd still join, but offer to do it a few times on a melee toon who doesn't need it in exchange for the opportunity to run on my caster who does". I'm paraphrasing you here, but you get the point, right? The first one describes you willfully breaking an agreement, and the second one describes you proposing a counter-offer.

You don't know me or have any idea who I am mate.

really? dude how many threads have you and I posted in, you should **** well know by know that's not how I roll.

seriously?

Look, you're right. I don't know who you are past a few posts on the forums. Maybe you're a real nice guy in real life. But what you wrote was pretty clear.

I said if I need it i'll loot it. I specifically said i won't loot if I don't need it.

The difference between a person who steals something because he wants to spite the person and not because he wants it and a person who steals something because he wants it is the difference between a griefer and a thief. So you're right, in a sense, but that doesn't change much.

People who claim they'll loot it *only* on toons they *need* it on are still breaking the clear agreement that was made (...assuming a clear agreement is made). It's like a guy who promises to mail you icy burst kits in exchange for plat who then bails on you once you hand him the plat; it's a scam, a robbery. You make a promise and then you break it out of your own self interest. If you want to say you'll make an alternate offer, then that's a different case... but for everyone else here who thinks its okay to just steal a bauble, this is for you.

Picture this: you see an LFM up that says "want to buy icy burst kits 5k plat" and you click the LFM. He says "meet in marketplace 1", you both get there and he passes you the 5k plat. Never mind the fact that icy bursts aren't worth as low as 5k plat and he really isn't giving you much at all for them, how is breaking the agreement okay by bailing on him with the icy burst kits still in your inventory? Is it "your icy burst kits, your choice" or something? What's the difference between "I'd join anyways and just loot the Bauble to give him a wakeup call" with "I'd join anyways and just take the 5k plat to give him a wakeup call"? Stealing or griefing, it's wrong either way.

If he tells you that he wants the bauble/seal/xyz and you'll have to pass it to him if you want in on his party, then you're no better than a scammer or a thief if you join anyways and just loot it when it drops for you. It's true that "Your Loot, Your Choice" still applies... but you clearly "chose" to "give" it up beforehand and are now breaking that promise, either out of your own self interest or because you want to grief someone. It isn't yours anymore, particularly when the quest is done and you've opener the chest: it's like those Icy Burst kits that are sitting in your inventory after a buyer forks over the plat for them. You certainly have control over them for the few seconds after, but it doesn't belong to you anymore, it belongs to the person you agreed to give it to. It's just theft, gift-wrapped with a bow.

[Ugumagre]

(snip)
So you admit you're a griefer then?

-1. Because people like you deserve to get a wake up call.

Maybe I am wrong, but stating that you -1 rep someone, is against the forum rules.

You are causing him/her distress and is a provocation. If you want to neg rep him/her, do it privately, and that´s it.
It causes unnecesary flame and a dirail.

[TheDearLeader]

As an actual Sarlonian, I see these up a lot.

I just don't join them.

I think what happened is that people got used to seeing LFMs up similar to:

1. Person solo clears eATDQ side rooms
2. Person solo clears eATDQ Queen.
3. Person opens up LFM for 5 other people to assist with boss, and says "oh btw, if this one shard happens to drop, dibs."

The above person could have soloed the entire quest, lets face it. They do just want 5 other people to come increase their chances of loot. The above person is essentially giving away a free token, and as long as it is not the one shard of what, 33 shards that come out of DQ? It's all yours.

The failing point is when people don't see the difference between "I completed this for you, come loot", and "I want five people to carry me through a quest, oh and give me your loot".

[EliahuTheMighty]

1. Person solo clears eATDQ side rooms
2. Person solo clears eATDQ Queen.
3. Person opens up LFM for 5 other people to assist with boss, and says "oh btw, if this one shard happens to drop, dibs."

The above person could have soloed the entire quest, lets face it. They do just want 5 other people to come increase their chances of loot. The above person is essentially giving away a free token, and as long as it is not the one shard of what, 33 shards that come out of DQ? It's all yours.

The failing point is when people don't see the difference between "I completed this for you, come loot", and "I want five people to carry me through a quest, oh and give me your loot".

I'm taking notes for once I cap and gear my FvS.