PUG lfm etiquette

[Thaxlsillyia]

Having a little difficulty understanding what is expected from the dozens of "we are doing this quest but do not join if you need this awesome item that drops here" lfm that pop up everyday.. mostly for weapon shipment... is it just to increase the probability of the item dropping? if so are the folks joining for improving your number game expected to do anything? after all you want my loot...

[somenewnoob]

I don't see many of these on Cannith. I don't think I would ever join one if I did see it. Seems like you are basically a servant for the leader......help with the quest......give up the loot that he wants. No thanks. Not for me.

[Asketes]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

[Fourfingers]

(specifically for weapon shipment because people are after the bauble)

usually/hopefully it's because the caster or cleric is after the bauble and they want to fill with melees or other casters/clerics who already have it. think of it as (somewhat) free xp.

Their perspective is, only join if you don't want it. And hopefully if you pull one (and because you don't want it) you will pass it to them. If you don't like the LFM then you're free to put up your own.

I would expect that if someone were going to request/require you to pass your loot over that you would be sufficiently compensated for it (larges)

[k1ngp1n]

(specifically for weapon shipment because people are after the bauble)

usually/hopefully it's because the caster or cleric is after the bauble and they want to fill with melees or other casters/clerics who already have it. think of it as (somewhat) free xp.

Their perspective is, only join if you don't want it. And hopefully if you pull one (and because you don't want it) you will pass it to them. If you don't like the LFM then you're free to put up your own.

I would expect that if someone were going to request/require you to pass your loot over that you would be sufficiently compensated for it (larges)

I never join these LFMs, period. It is, however, a really good way to find out who the current crop of hopelessly bad players are.

[Asketes]

I never join these LFMs, period. It is, however, a really good way to find out who the current crop of hopelessly bad players are.

Not sure how you get the adjective "bad" in there. skill has nothing to do w/ lfm etiquette.

[protokon]

Not sure how you get the adjective "bad" in there. skill has nothing to do w/ lfm etiquette.

perhaps he meant bad attitudes? there's plenty of players out there I consider bad players, not because they aren't skilled at the game but because they have pretty sour attitudes. In fact I am sure there are people out there that consider me a bad player for the same reason, catching me in a bad mood ect...

[Asketes]

perhaps he meant bad attitudes? there's plenty of players out there I consider bad players, not because they aren't skilled at the game but because they have pretty sour attitudes. In fact I am sure there are people out there that consider me a bad player for the same reason, catching me in a bad mood ect...

fair enough, I didn't read it like that. This makes sense okay

thanks for the clarification

[Miow]

a player can be bad and have more skill then the whole party combined.

[Ilindith]

Join, get the item, loot it, /point, /laugh.

[TheDjinnFor]

Having a little difficulty understanding what is expected from the dozens of "we are doing this quest but do not join if you need this awesome item that drops here" lfm that pop up everyday.. mostly for weapon shipment... is it just to increase the probability of the item dropping? if so are the folks joining for improving your number game expected to do anything? after all you want my loot...

Those lfms are fairly rude in the sense that the player isn't even bothering to offer anyone anything. Mostly I don't find those fill very fast... although I saw a Claw run the other day that filled up in a minute even though the person wanted people to pass them one of the claw set seals.

A better lfm would be "Pike this for free XP, but if the bauble drops you must give it to me".

I've also seen and joined many a DA group where the person solos it and then throws up an lfm to give the next 5 joiners 3 free chests in exchange for passing the leader a silver handwrap/falchion/khopesh/etc. if any of them happen to drop.

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

So you admit you're a griefer then?

-1. Because people like you deserve to get a wake up call.

[TheDearLeader]

As an actual Sarlonian, I see these up a lot.

I just don't join them.

I think what happened is that people got used to seeing LFMs up similar to:

1. Person solo clears eATDQ side rooms
2. Person solo clears eATDQ Queen.
3. Person opens up LFM for 5 other people to assist with boss, and says "oh btw, if this one shard happens to drop, dibs."

The above person could have soloed the entire quest, lets face it. They do just want 5 other people to come increase their chances of loot. The above person is essentially giving away a free token, and as long as it is not the one shard of what, 33 shards that come out of DQ? It's all yours.

The failing point is when people don't see the difference between "I completed this for you, come loot", and "I want five people to carry me through a quest, oh and give me your loot".

[Asketes]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

So you admit you're a griefer then?

-1. Because people like you deserve to get a wake up call.

um really? Did you read my post I said if I need it i'll loot it. I specifically said i won't loot if I don't need it.

You don't know me or have any idea who I am mate.

really? dude how many threads have you and I posted in, you should **** well know by know that's not how I roll.

seriously?

My point was that there's no real reason to have an lfm up like that, generally I'll join them and have a good time with whoever it is. I also will usually say something like "Hey I'm gonna run this once or twice on my caster, then a few more times on someone who doesn't need it. That way I'll toss it to ya if I get it on one of them"

See how that works? It's a positive instead of a negative.

You really should ask before assuming, you know what they say about that.

[slothinator]

People have the right to put whatever restrictions/requirements they want in their LFM. Players have the right to avoid those groups. Purposely joining and then violating their request seems juvenile.

I don't know about other servers, but these LFMs are up everyday on Sarlona. They always seem to be the same players/toons; people looking for baubles, looking for gs blank ingredients, or trying to get their jidz tetka seal/shard. These are all things I would like to have, so I just avoid them. Plenty of other groups to join.

I also disagree that this necessarily makes them "bad" players. I have run many quests with the people who frequently put up these LFMs, and they play well and are pleasant to quest with. They are just trying to raise their odds of getting what they need; if they can find people who are actually willing to give these things up, more power to them.

EDIT - What I do find annoying, however, is the newly 5th level toons putting up LFMs for Chronoscope, lvl 5-20. That just screams "I want high level characters to drag me through this quest for nice loot while I pike or die repeatedly". I'm sorry, but put up an at level and earn it; or get some high level toons and twink it!

[EliahuTheMighty]

1. Person solo clears eATDQ side rooms
2. Person solo clears eATDQ Queen.
3. Person opens up LFM for 5 other people to assist with boss, and says "oh btw, if this one shard happens to drop, dibs."

The above person could have soloed the entire quest, lets face it. They do just want 5 other people to come increase their chances of loot. The above person is essentially giving away a free token, and as long as it is not the one shard of what, 33 shards that come out of DQ? It's all yours.

The failing point is when people don't see the difference between "I completed this for you, come loot", and "I want five people to carry me through a quest, oh and give me your loot".

I'm taking notes for once I cap and gear my FvS.

[Ungood]

Depends on how you read them.

I read them like this "I am looking for this one item, please! Just one stinking item! and like anyone I hate grinding, so, how about we strike a deal, you come here, add your name to the box to increase the chance that what I am looking for will spawn and thus I'll be happy, anything else that drops, is yours, think of it as free loot and maybe some exp, for helping a fellow player out"

I see this quite often for specific kinds of Runes in Reavers Refugee, when someone is looking for s single kind of rune, and I can respect their view on this as well. I join their groups, and if I get what they want, I'll gladly pass it to them. It's not like I actually had to work at the quest or anything and normally in the process I can get a rune that I have been looking for, or some other little bauble that might just make my day.

Not rude at all in my book doing things like that and I am glad to help them when I do it. I have never met anyone yet that was not thankful to me when I did pull what they wanted, and passed to to them saying "Congrats!"

But that is just me.

[mudfud]

If I have a character in range that needs xp and doesn't need the item, I'd do it. Just don't expect me to work as hard during the quest as I would if I was getting something for more then just xp.

[LordPiglet]

yep, i'll join anyways and just loot it if I need it. (I won't loot on a non-viable toon of course)

Player's who put those lfm's up deserve to get a wake up call.

Why? Just put up your own lfm, it will probably fill faster. Some if these lfm's are from people just worn out from farming. It's pretty common for people to mention what they're looking for in an epic group anyways, bit I have no problem with these lfm's. Personally I will join them as I have had some some lucky getting most of the easy stuff I want, these people generally will put anything the get but that item up. I know I run snitch for the mask of comedy seal, and that seal only. I only ran party crashers for the ringleader seal. I'll still join some stuff just for the scroll chance and token, but I am really not in it for seals.

Edit: I have pulled some nice shards joining the edq spell storing ring ones(including firestorm greaves), I already have my epic bracers, so I'd join that one too.

[AMDarkwolf]

tee hee i got squelched cuz of that:

DO NOT JOIN IF YOU WANT JIDZ SHARD

Kay, I don't want it, already made 3.

*Runs quest, does heavy lifting, gets jidz shard, takes token, leaves shard in chest*


Ya those lfm's **** me off. If its not, for example, AtDQ Epic, and the guy did the work, then has no right making that comment. If the eTTT was just that, a simple 'come and run with us' eTTT and the jidz shard dropped, Id have put it for roll since i have no use for it, but when the other 5 ppl demand that I pass it over, expect me to do the traps, and I STILL get 95% of the kills, and 'carry' the other people though the quest, Why should I give it to you?

Yea, leaving it in the chest was pretty mean of me, but it felt good. I never again saw that guy put up a public 'do not join if u want' LFM again.

[Ilindith]

I would not mind if the LFMs would be more...polite?

Like:
"I really need to get X item, anyone wants to help me?"

Instead of:
"GTFO if you want the same item as me IT'S MINE"

Greedy jerks.