18rogue/1fighter/1wizard Burst DPS

[ThePrincipal]

I wanted to take a closer look at the DPS from combing the racial arcane archer with assassin III. this is partically inspired by my own pure repeater rogue and several other AA threads using bards and figthers.

With the repeater rogue, if I can't get the SA, my dps is garbage. I was hoping the AA would balance out that weakness by providing imbued arrows + manyshot.

Assassin III adds +3d6 sneak and vorpal strikes which will work with ranged sneak attacks. Fighter for the bonus feat and toughness I and wizard to unlock arcane archer and wand usage (and grease buff).

Using the planner, APs are tight but can still fit both pre's (which includes full sneak training) and haste boost IV.

Feats are also tight. 7 + 2 bonus. Not in any order... point blank, rapid shot, precise shot, improved precise, manyshot, improved crit: ranged, weapon focus: ranged, toughness, and mental toughness. Rogue bonus feats are pretty open, however Crippling Strike (-2 str damage per SA) is a solid debuff with ranged combat (comfirmed it works with repeater).

Starting Stats
Str 10
Dex 18 + 5 lvl ups
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 8
Cha 8

Skills: Max Search, DD, Spot, Umd, Balance, Diplo, Tumble

Vorpal strike and slayer arrow are redundant kills on a 20 vs trash. Can imbune a force or acid arrow for increased non-crit dps. I also love the idea of terror arrows.

Compared to the 18/fighter AA this builds offers more ranged dps and thanks to SA, can still pick up a greataxe and swing with +12d6 SA + Assassinate + Vorpal.

EDITED

You can use the above build, drop toughness, and go Helf with ranger dilly for bow strength and start with 14 str

[Roguish_Existence]

I wanted to take a closer look at the DPS from combing the racial arcane archer with assassin III. this is partically inspired by my own pure repeater rogue and several other AA threads using bards and figthers.

With the repeater rogue, if I can't get the SA, my dps is garbage. I was hoping the AA would balance out that weakness by providing imbued arrows + manyshot.

Assassin III adds +3d6 sneak and vorpal strikes which should work with ranged attacks. Fighter for the bonus feat and toughness I and wizard to unlock arcane archer and wand usage (and grease buff).

Using the planner, APs are tight but can still fit both pre's (which includes full sneak training) and haste boost IV.

Feats are also tight. 7 + 2 bonus. Not in any order... point blank, rapid shot, precise shot, improved precise, manyshot, improved crit: ranged, bow strength, toughness, and mental toughness. Rogue bonus feats are pretty open, however Crippling Strike seems like a solid debuff with ranged combat.

Starting Stats
Str 14
Dex 17 + 5 lvl ups
Con 14
Int 12
Wis 8
Cha 8

Skills: Max Search, DD, Spot, Umd, Balance, Diplo, Tumble

Vorpal strike and slayer arrow are redundant kills on a 20 vs trash. Can imbune a force or acid arrow for increased non-crit dps.

Compared to the 18/fighter AA this builds offers more ranged dps and thanks to SA, can still pick up a quarterstaff and swing with +12d6 SA + Assassinate + Vorpal.

I play a rogue and I find this an interesting and even tempting build for the simple fact your attempting to put Repeater and AA together which I never thought of trying. However, I noticed you have the bow strength feat listed, I don't remember seeing it as a prereq for any feat IF that is the case then its a wasted feat because all your repeater damage will come from your INT. You really need to take INT and DEX as high as you can putting your +5 ability points into INT and taking the Elf and/or Rogue DEX lines depending on where your dex starts and if your going to eat a tome to make things work. I would suggest at least a +2 tome to DEX and CON. If you really want to swing a staff for damage then take Weapon Finesse in place of Bow Strength, it will help you at all levels and let you focus on your primary stats that matter, DEX and INT.

[rimble]

I play a rogue and I find this an interesting and even tempting build for the simple fact your attempting to put Repeater and AA together which I never thought of trying. However, I noticed you have the bow strength feat listed, I don't remember seeing it as a prereq for any feat IF that is the case then its a wasted feat because all your repeater damage will come from your INT. You really need to take INT and DEX as high as you can putting your +5 ability points into INT and taking the Elf and/or Rogue DEX lines depending on where your dex starts and if your going to eat a tome to make things work. I would suggest at least a +2 tome to DEX and CON. If you really want to swing a staff for damage then take Weapon Finesse in place of Bow Strength, it will help you at all levels and let you focus on your primary stats that matter, DEX and INT.

First, I don't think he's trying to put Repeater and AA together. He mentions having played other Repeater and AA characters though.

Second, AA doesn't work with Repeaters in an absolute sense. The highest ranged DPS is arguably from using Manyshot when it's up, and then Repeaters at other times and some builds have attempted to do this, but the AA Imbues don't work with Repeaters.

OP, you don't need Mental Toughness...and you might get a little more mileage out of a Bard level instead of Wizard for some relatively minor song buffs.

[Roguish_Existence]

First, I don't think he's trying to put Repeater and AA together. He mentions having played other Repeater and AA characters though.

Second, AA doesn't work with Repeaters in an absolute sense. The highest ranged DPS is arguably from using Manyshot when it's up, and then Repeaters at other times and some builds have attempted to do this, but the AA Imbues don't work with Repeaters.

OP, you don't need Mental Toughness...and you might get a little more mileage out of a Bard level instead of Wizard for some relatively minor song buffs.

Ah your right, I only read the first line of imbues where it says "Imbues all missiles that you fire with <type> damage." Then it goes on to state arrows...
Oh well it was a nice pipe dream.

[ThePrincipal]

Mechanic+Arcane Archer wouldnt work for reasons stated. And switching between repeater and bow is just showing off

I'm saying stick with the bow, and go Assassin+Arcane Archer for increase ranged dps over ranger or fighter AA. It's basically a sniper build.

Bard is an interesting option. Do any of the metamagics work with scrolls? Perhaps theres a better option for wizard than mental toughness.

[kuro_zero]

Dont you also need weap focus: ranged for AA? Its also a pre-req for bow str, and bow str also needs one of PA, CE, zen archery, or weap spec: range

Interesting build though... Its got me thinking.

[laniza]

reroll..........thay are making raid bosses 100% fortified

[kuro_zero]

reroll..........thay are making raid bosses 100% fortified

Please read lamania forums concerning this before spreading incorrect information.

[laniza]

I did. And yes its more complecated then that. The post above is just an angry post since i have a rogue lvl16 (TR, past life rogue). But i should not have done it anyways. Appologies.

[ThePrincipal]

You're right I need to fit in weapon focus to access AA.

I was rethinking this build into a rogue-spoliter 18rogue/1ranger/1monk