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  1. 08-14-2011, 08:31 PM #1
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    Default 2 Fighter / 2 Rogue / 16 Bard please give feedback

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DJgrubb2 
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 555 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 16
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    21
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     6
Bluff                 2                     6
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             2                     2
Disable Device        6                    28
Haggle                6                     6
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     6
Intimidate            6                    10
Jump                  6                    11
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             6                    21
Perform               n/a                  25
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    24
Spot                  3                     3
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                6                     6
Use Magic Device      6                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Master's Touch


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Rage


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Spell (2): Fox's Cunning


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Good Hope
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Dimension Door


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Disable Device
Spell (5): Shadow Walk


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Feather Fall
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Spell (6): Otto's Irresistable Dance
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    This is my first attempt at this type of build, so please give feedback.

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  2. 08-15-2011, 04:44 PM #2
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  3. 08-15-2011, 05:25 PM #3
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    If it were me, I would dump dex/int, max str, drop rogue, fighter and thf feats and take max and quicken as meta's (example: trying to improve Shade's Doorstop bard. Adjust as needed).

    While I am describing a completely other build (Classic Rocker), it just seems like you are trying to do too much with your bard. Nothing on it is terrible but nothing that impressive. That could be what you are going for though.

    I would drop:

    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
    Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV

    I would drop everything and make sure you take Inspired Attack III and Inspired Damage III. After that I would look to get Scroll mastery (at least 1 but more = better) so your umd heal scrolls heal for more. If you happen to have more lingering song is a nice choice since you are down 4 bard levels and 20% (capstone) from a pure bard.
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  4. 08-15-2011, 05:38 PM #4
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    What is the point of the build your trying to create? Honestly to me it doesn't look like it accomplishes much of anything.

    Hit points are low, With out a ton of work your not going to hit even 400 hit points, your not going to have a high enough UMD to use heal and other scrolls with out fail, your trap skills aren't high enough for end game (at least on anything besides normal/casual).

    As Valindria said, your trying to do too much, scale it back and you'll make a much better build.
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  5. 08-15-2011, 07:07 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonKiller View Post
    What is the point of the build your trying to create? Honestly to me it doesn't look like it accomplishes much of anything.

    Hit points are low, With out a ton of work your not going to hit even 400 hit points, your not going to have a high enough UMD to use heal and other scrolls with out fail, your trap skills aren't high enough for end game (at least on anything besides normal/casual).

    As Valindria said, your trying to do too much, scale it back and you'll make a much better build.
    If you're going to criticize a build, try to do better than make baseless hp/UMD/skill claims and have a better suggestion than just 'scale it back.'

    Hit points:
    260 base
    Draconic vitality: 10
    +6 Con item: 60
    Greater false life: 30
    Green steel: 45
    +2 Con tome: 20

    = 425 hp before Rage, ship buff, exceptional Con, etc. That's not an awesome total for high level content but what do you expect with 18 d6 levels?

    UMD:
    25 base
    +6 Cha item: 3
    Greater heroism: 4
    Focusing chant: 1
    Luck: 2
    Golden Cartouche: 3

    = 38. Add +5/6 for green steel and it's more than enough for useful scrolls.

    Disable device:
    28 base
    +15 DD item: 15
    +6 Int item: 3
    Greater heroism: 4
    Focusing chant: 1
    Luck: 2
    Ventilated bracers: 3
    Tools: 7

    = 63 which is enough for epic traps and that's before ship buff, exceptional Int, or green steel.

    Back to the build, I agree with Valindria to dump dex and use the points for strength or constitution. As a melee build, points can also be taken from charisma if they're needed to get str or con to the next bracket; 10 or 12 starting charisma is fine. Bard and rogue have good synergy so I would stick with the rogue levels if you want a 'utility player' type character.

    Valindria also makes good points on enhancements. Focus on maximizing the effectiveness of songs and Wand & Scroll mastery. As a splash build, your healing capacity from SP will be limited and Heal scrolls will be your best friend when you're asked to help out the dedicated healer.
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  6. 08-16-2011, 09:44 AM #6
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    Mostly I am looking for something new to try. So I am playing around with the character planner and reading about several different builds.
    I have max level pure fighter (kensai, but may switch to stalwart to try), barbarian, rogue (assassin), FVS (evoker) and Spellsinger bard. All human except the Barbarian, he is a half orc. So I am looking for something new to try. Was never big on Arcane castes in PnP.
    As far as rogue skills goes, my Disable device, open locks and search are very nearly the same as my pure rogue, according to the character planner.

    Any other thoughts?


    Is the halfling Hero's companion worth taking? Should I drop that in favor of wand and scroll use?
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  7. 08-17-2011, 05:37 PM #7
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    Code:
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DJgrubb2 
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 555 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 14
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    21
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     4
Bluff                 2                     5
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy             2                     2
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle                6                     6
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  0                     4
Intimidate            6                    10
Jump                  6                    11
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         0                     2
Open Lock             4                    19
Perform               n/a                  25
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    24
Spot                  3                     3
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      6                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Bard)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
    ok is a revision. Still not sure about Hero's companion though. Might just have to try it and change it later if I don't like it.
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