My Pure Cleric - Need Advice

[Abierl]

Hello fellows!
I was trying to find one good Cleric build, who can do very well HEALING and DECENT CC.
Any advice are welcome!

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Nurarihyon Yokai
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1786 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength              8                 10                   10
Dexterity             8                 10                   10
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               18                 25                   28
Charisma             14                 16                   16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                    11.5
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         7                    27
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                  4                    11
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                 -1                     0
Listen                4                     9
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  4                     9
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble               n/a                    n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   9.5

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

So, how about it?

[dondaley]

I'm no cleric expert so I'll keep quiet about that.. but I did notice you ended balance and UMD on .5. even those out, half a point does not round up. Also I would favor UMD over balance and have UMD at 11, balance at 10.

[MeatSheild]

Healing CC thats a cool idea. I have a toon with 2pl of cleric and I'm on my 3rd as a fvs so I might have some insight that might help.

The 2 things you'll need for CC is spell pen and dc's and for those you'll need high Wis, hieghten spell, and a bit of the "something eles" (I hope you can get this from spell selection, gear and feats).
So first I'll start on what I wouldn't take from your build and why. Then I'll show what I think is a good idea and why.

First lets start with skills. 1/2 skills do no good as they dont round up, might as well hit something eles that will help (even a little). UMD even maxed out on a cleric doesn't get that high (UMD 20 is only slightly useful at end game). Concentration with quiken is useless. Balance is great the higher the better you cant do anything on the groud and the faster you get up the better you (and your party) are off. Heal... ok maybe a few if you have some skill points that wont end up as even at 20. A zero jump, thats going to hurt in end game this is a skill I like to get up to around 7 or so w/o gear or buffs that way the 40 cap easy to hit. I also like a few points in tumble it helps a bit to move out of the way and kinda looks cool.

Now lets get to the feats mental toughness is good at low lv's but gives minimal sp at lv 20 (at leasst at the cost of a feat). Necromancy focus will raise the dc to your necromany spells (none of which are CC tat I can think of off the top of my head). I think you'd be better off with enchanment or evocation focus (orders wrath and sound burst for CC just off the top of my head again), but you might want to check on the wiki for the best school(s) for CC. I dont see hieghten spell in your list of feats this will be something of a must have for higher DC's (up to a +7 DC on a sound burst). Another thing you might want to think about is spell pen feats, that blue sheild is annoying.

Your enhancemants look fairly good to me. I might change a bit spell pen 3 is just to costly for me and I'm not sure the divines (might cleans heal) will do much good in end game with just one rank in them.

Now I could be wrong on most (if not all) of what I'm saying here but its just my take on things. I'm also going to post what I would do with this idea in mind (healing CC).

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1546 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 6
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                    10
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               18                    28
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                    11
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy             4                    25
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                  4                    11
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                 -1                     6
Listen                4                     9
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  4                     9
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Jump (+1.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Thorzian]

at the risk of sounding like a troll, dont do it. cleric is one of the few classes where going pure really does you no good. splash monk in there, splash fighter in there, pally even. depending on your playstyle of course but even for a pure healbot getting evasion with monk is worth it. a decent reflex save is pretty damned easy.

[Feithlin]

After all the basics (Toughness, Emp. Healing, Empower, Maximize, Quicken, Heighten), you will have to choose with what you plan to CC, because you will have only 1 feat left, or 2 on a human. If you plan to use spells without spell pen checks (most evocation spells), you can go with spell focus(es). If you plan to use spells with spell pen checks (like Greater command, Symbol of persuasion, Destruction, Holy aura, etc.), you should really take the Spell pen feat, and Imp spell pen if possible.
Note that splashing would further reduce your spell pen: it's fine if you want to rely only on BB or Divine punishment, but otherwise, you may feel short in high level content for the other spells. You can also get up to 3 wizard lifes before, but that's another story.
*Edit: Mental toughness and Imp. mental toughness are not worth taking imo.

[Jubbers]

I have a cleric and fvs both and you can make a healer pretty easily: emp healing and quicken, crowd control vs damage is the difference.

As said before DC's and spell pen are important for crowd control. Clerics list of CC spells is pretty limited which is why you see most cleric as damage/evoker clerics and not CC.

Here are a couple of things that I would do in my build.
1) make sure your alignment is neutral so you don't take the additional dam from alignment based attacks as you will pull healing agro.
2) I would take feats in this order:
1st Toughness
3rd Extend
6th Emp Healing
after that you can decide to swap out extend at lvl 10 or so and add on feats that make you better. I would take quicken at 12th level as thats when stuff hits hard enough to kill your spells and your concentration checks start failing a lot.
3) I like the damage builds better(personal choice), those builds have no heighten, but both max and emp. you have a lot of options, but make sure you think about the CC you'll be using. You will be very tight on AP and spending 12pts is rough for additional spell pen.