TRing passive, worth doing it just for them?

[Newbie]

Of course this is purely opinion based, but wanted to know what you think?

I was considering trying to TR for fighter, monk and whatever else that would be useful (saves, hp, etc) just for their passives. I do want to main either monk or fighter, possibly FvS. Just wanted to get your input on this topic.

If anyone already did this, would like to hear how you like it and if you've noticed anything.

Thanks!

[Ungood]

If anyone TRed?

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but unless you like the idea of TRing, it really is not worth it for just the past life feats, in fact, 2 (maybe 4) build points and a passive past life feat, especlaly the melee one's, IMHO is not really worth the extra EXP needed to level and the giving up a 20th level character, unless, you have pretty much burnt out on the higher level content.

But such is just my feelings on it.

[Alex301]

It depends on the final build and how much time you have imo. Wizard past lives are very useful for an offensive caster and i can understand grinding them out but 3 monk lives for +3 extra dmg on a melee isn't worth it to me.

[Lleren]

For some TRing is worth the hassle, for others it is not. Only you can really decide.
If trying to be a stunning monk those three fighter passive past lives are really tempting, along with at least 1 Monk past life.

[Zildoran]

Doesn't the addition to DC only work on Stunning Blow, not Stunning Fist?

[Thorzian]

why else would you tr? the passive feats ARE the reason. honestly, a 36 point isnt any more powerful then a 32. a sorceror with 3 fvs past lives though is a nuke machine. just one example.

[Bodic]

you might not think it worthy but rog PPL nice also for builds with evasion anyway for trap saves and SA taking in all melee PPL's is a boon barb is good for all upto 30 HP's

[ainmosni]

Of course this is purely opinion based, but wanted to know what you think?

I was considering trying to TR for fighter, monk and whatever else that would be useful (saves, hp, etc) just for their passives. I do want to main either monk or fighter, possibly FvS. Just wanted to get your input on this topic.

If anyone already did this, would like to hear how you like it and if you've noticed anything.

Thanks!

monk and fighter = +4 str tome. (+2 str tome +1 to-hit +1 damage) and takes less time to grind than a tome. can be stacked up to 3 times

yes

[azrael4h]

Really, it's up to you. Do you want to put in that much effort to TR into every class, multiple times even, to get useful passive past lives? Only you can answer that.

[ainmosni]

It depends on the final build and how much time you have imo. Wizard past lives are very useful for an offensive caster and i can understand grinding them out but 3 monk lives for +3 extra dmg on a melee isn't worth it to me.

it's a matter of opinion, but this game is a grind regardless.... whether you're bettering yourself through gear or past lives, no one does anything for no reason in this game.

enjoy endgame until you get bored. then TR and enjoy the other 99% of the game. then.... endgame again.

id make the argument that running 20, 40, 60, 80 tod's for a +4 tome or a ring i want isnt worth it (though this isnt the case), but it's all about the grind... a TR allows you to try something new every now and then at least.

but heh, different strokes.

[HettarDDO]

Doesn't the addition to DC only work on Stunning Blow, not Stunning Fist?

It works with stunning fist.

For some TRing is worth the hassle, for others it is not. Only you can really decide.
If trying to be a stunning monk those three fighter passive past lives are really tempting, along with at least 1 Monk past life.

If your playing a monk then it's worth it to at least have one past life monk and at least one fighter past life. The monk past life gives you +1 damage plus the active(feat) gives you 2-12 damage instead of 2-10.

The fighter passive past life gives you +1 to hit and +1 to your tatical DC's. Both of those are very useful to a monk.

I hate TR'ing and I did one monk and one fighter. It gave me everything I listed above plus unlocked the 36 point build.

[Lleren]

Doesn't the addition to DC only work on Stunning Blow, not Stunning Fist?

I have been told that it is all tactical style DC's, but have not personally tested.

[Mister_Peace]

The fighter past life is very nice if you're going to use tactical feats.
The wizard past life is very nice if you're going to need spell pen.

[redspear]

At the moment, im on the third fighter life for my main before returning to barb for the final life. I make heavy use of the tactical abilities and so the increased DC's seemed worth it. It does take a lot of time invested however so be ready for a lot of work. Not going to do the other ones though as I decided fighter was enough.

Perhaps this may all change though once the altered Xp bonuses are put into place with U11 making the Tr grind a little less boring (at least once you hit 17-18ish)

[Soleran]

My end build is going to be 12 monk 8 fighter stunning build and with that in mind I had a first life monk, I'm on my second fighter fighter life and will take one more fighter life to end with 1 monk and 3 fighter lives past(plus 1 damage and plus 3 to hit and tactical dc's.)

I think in general the passive feats gained for casters are more powerful but no matter what as it's been explained play what you like.

[Luckness]

honestly, a 36 point isnt any more powerful then a 32.

For a SAD build (Single Attribute Dependent), this is mostly true. A wizard or sorceror, for example, usually gains more CON (maxing it out, +2 CON -2 STR) or STR (+4 STR if CON were maxed on a 32 point build) by getting more ability points, and neither is game breaking.

For a MAD build (Multiple Attribute Dependent), such as a paladin, rogue, and other builds, the extra 4 points often mean two more of primary attributes or a much-needed spend in CON. The TWF human or helf paladin for example cannot even get 16 STR/15 DEX/15 CON/16 CHA without a 36-point build. It's more power, but as many have said, whether it's worth grinding for is not answerable without considering the player and how much fun they'd have doing 3 lives for one toon.

[licho]

It's more power, but as many have said, whether it's worth grinding for is not answerable without considering the player and how much fun they'd have doing 3 lives for one toon.

I would never decide for tr if i dont actually enjoy low level content, and low level toons and want to try different builds.

Btw it could be worthwile to stack the theme, for example staying around warriors pl or all caster .

[Carpone]

Useful past lives depend on what your ideal final build is. If you plan on playing a Monk/unarmed character:

• The Monk passive and purchased past lives are worth it. +1 dmg from the passive and +2 damage (average) from the first Monk past life are noticable.

• The Paladin purchased past life is worth getting. The 5% heal amp passive is neat, but I wouldn't do a past life specifically for it. +3 hit/+3 damage for ~8 minutes at level 20 is really good.

• The Fighter passive past life is useful for Monks who tend to have to-hit problems. The +1 DC to Stunning Fist and Stunning Blow are pretty nice too. I wouldn't purchase the Fighter past life feat.

I'm playing a 12 Fighter/8 Monk with the Monk and Paladin past lives right now, so this isn't some pie-in-the-sky suggestion. I've been thrilled with the Monk and Paladin past lives, and plan to TR again in a few more raids.

If you're a Barbarian, it's currently worth TRing from Barbarian into Barbarian to purchase the past life feat for the extended Rage duration. That isn't working as intended, so expect it to be fixed at some point.

[Limey]

I would say if you have never TRd go ahead and try. The first one is a breeze anyway just be warned you better have liked it as the ones after are much slower.

[karl_k0ch]

Three Fighter past lives grant +3 to hit. Similar to-hit bonuses are granted by the OTWF feat when wielding two oversized weapons (+2 effectively), or a weapon proficiency feat (+4 effectively).

For that reason, there are players who use 3 past lives as a substitute for an actual feat; either saving themselves OTWF, or even to go that far to use Khopeshes without the actual proficiency. (If wanted, this can also be applied to pure Dwarven Rogues wielding DAxes.)

I see the benefit, but multiple TRs don't quite fit to my playing profile, as they would take too much time.