Thanks for killing PvP? (Pls sign)

[protokon]

Only a small % play epics and most never will, so Turb should stop wasting time on end game.

Because adding hitpoints to pvp could have been used to release Druids instead?

Yes.

And I hate the crafting system, it's a complete waste of dev time and a waste of my subscription dollars.

I also hate elves, they should remove them from the game because I don't like them, not because other people enjoy playing them.

They should also get rid of rogues because they are always squishy and then I won't have to bother declining them anymore.

They should also remove reincarnation from the game because I hate the lowby grind.

The devs should also remove Threnal because I don't like that quest series, never mind that other people want to play that quest series or the devs spent time creating it in the first place. I wish the devs would stop wasting my precious subscription dollars on things that I don't enjoy.

Some peoples comments couldn't be more self-centered, jeese. (satire if you could not figure that out).

[Elaril]

I am always amazed in the community's response to a PVP thread. I mean seriously, if you don't PVP, and don't care about PVP, why bother posting in the thread? There is no need to be insulting towards your fellow players based on their gameplay preferences.

To the OP, I'd say give it a try on Lamannia and see if you like the changes or not before claiming that the sky is falling. You might be suprised and actually like them.

[Hendrik]

Yes, thank you for killing PvP.

Few more blows to make it even more inconsequential and it can just be removed from the game totally!

[Syllph]

/notsigned

I don't PvP for the simple reason: AA slayer 1-2 shots 80% of player base dead. Caster: Fireball, Polar Ray, or any number of Evocation spells doing 1000+ damage. 1 shot dead 99.99% of player base dead. Don't even get me started on dots.

If you're going to PvP it would be nice to survive for longer than it takes to buff. Currently I take about 1 minute to fully buff and 10 seconds to die even on a well geared, multi-TR, con-intensive toon. 800HP and a SoS does very little to a 1500 point DB Fireball.

PvP was silly before now it's only less silly.

[Fundamental]

/notsigned

I don't PvP for the simple reason: AA slayer 1-2 shots 80% of player base dead. Caster: Fireball, Polar Ray, or any number of Evocation spells doing 1000+ damage. 1 shot dead 99.99% of player base dead. Don't even get me started on dots.

If you're going to PvP it would be nice to survive for longer than it takes to buff. Currently I take about 1 minute to fully buff and 10 seconds to die even on a well geared, multi-TR, con-intensive toon. 800HP and a SoS does very little to a 1500 point DB Fireball.

PvP was silly before now it's only less silly.

Cause you invest in the wrong gear and obviously don't know how to get an absorbing item?
How is that any of the game's mistake?
It's not it's just your own silly gameplay style, I see them all the time... 10.000 hp won't save you either bro.
Trust me.

And it's even more funny, well better call it silly, your own word choice, to jump in with 800 con, 'tr gear' and a 'con-intensive' toon and try to dodge a frenzied polar ray vs. a evasion absorbsion caster who knows pvp about 100x better then you. Yes it's silly alright, go back to questing maybe?

As for the rest bashing down on pvp, if you don't like it or have nothing to do with it, why even bother posting here.
I see comments about that it's a waste of my subscription etc etc.
It's not, that's just your opinion of what this game should provide for you.
Thanks for your opinion, I'm expressing mine here.

And in the end; it's all about fun and having a nice day.
Giving everyone 10x hp is a huge mistake, as most people who commented here have replied, I appreciate the input a lot.
The purpose of this post is not the stop the upcoming change, it's just to express some feelings of a yes albeit very small part of the community but also still a part of the community.

And isn't Turbine's slogan, 'powered by our fans'
Well I am a fan too and I have all the right to create a post here and talk about it freely without blaming anybody, just being honest about such a huge impending change.

It's more that we are being left out, instead of making a global PvP area, with larges areas and more to do (this is the main problem getting one shot) or whatever.

And I been working 2 Months on my pvp ranger, just to get this update I quess.
Now I can hop on my 3500 SP FvS and do what? Dot people and fly around with 7000 HP.

I don't see any improvements in this change at all.

And even if it's just a very small percentage,
Turbine might still lose 1000's of hardcore players who been very kind for Turbine and the game and we have friends too who play DDO, so this could still be potentially a huge loss for Turbine if people decide to go.
On Ghallanda there's at least a couple hundred highly active players who enjoy a good pvp or clash.

Just my 2 cents,

Emphasized

[DawnofEntropy]

I have the solution!
Everyone in pvp only get 10 hp no matter how high of a level they are. It will solve everything!
And then we'll add a 5 minute spawn time.

[Chai]

Divines are just the new PVP FOTM, dont worry. Casters were the obvious first choice, and still are, because at least you kill your opponent first, before you die to their un-counterable DOT, heh. In time you will give in and make a PVP divine using the "if ya cant beat em join em" mentality, only to discover theres a new FOTM just around the corner which destorys the semi new build you just put 16 months into and more threads like this will ensue.

One of the main reasons many dont want PVP in this game is because in many games who do try to balance for PVP we have seen endless threads where people claim this new thing to be unfair, ad nauseum, to the point where the company then has to change the game periodically just to accomodate the PVP players. All this does is sway the balance of power some other direction so that its OTHER people complaining rather than LESS people complaining about the changes. We see a shadow of that here because PVP is but a shadow of what it is in many other games.

Notice we dont see too many people complaining about evasion caster builds in PVP, even though 98% of all non divine builds are vastly inferior to them. Thats likely because this is what most people gravitated to before the recent changes, and they arent going to call for self nerfs.

[Fundamental]

Well all I can say is, lol

NAY NAY TURBINE THIS IS A MISTAKE!
AAR ARRR YAR YARRRR!
Grabs his purple pirate hat and goes hiding in crystal cove!

/RANT OFF
/Signed

And Aivenek, that's an really really amazing idea!
Thanks for contributing. :P

Much obliged,

[Beeeeeaner]

Between dotz, annoying spamming of ice storm, peoples attitudes, and what they did to trip and stun making it even harder for melee to even stand a shot. Now we have more hp great now the teams can work even more toghter in tripple doting following of broken wizard past life spell ability and whatta got? The devs listening to the people of the pvp community who dont even pvp! Ugh they could not of ruined this anymore I hate the fact theres nothing to do while on timers and the arena was the last place I could go and chill out till timers talk to friends the whole like. But now its more like a turf war and the general chat has just become so much more child like. Also, nice touch turbine with the whole necros and pallies loh when hard targeted uses that turn of loh and meanwhile they keep blasting and doting knowing you wasted your loh on that. Bah I need to make an alt I suppose.

[likuei]

And the complaints have already started. this is a major reason people do not want PvP ... the BALANCING issues PvPer's will continuously come up with because their favorite class is not pwning. Please ... Please ... Please stop requesting mhorz PvP?

1. Be glad you got something in the way of PvP.
2. Dont cry about it ... you wanted balance, you got it ... no more one-shot kills.

[Ugumagre]

Should I read something in this thread or are we really "talking" about PvP?

[Syllph]

Cause you invest in the wrong gear and obviously don't know how to get an absorbing item?
How is that any of the game's mistake?
It's not it's just your own silly gameplay style, I see them all the time... 10.000 hp won't save you either bro.
Trust me.

And it's even more funny, well better call it silly, your own word choice, to jump in with 800 con, 'tr gear' and a 'con-intensive' toon and try to dodge a frenzied polar ray vs. a evasion absorbsion caster who knows pvp about 100x better then you. Yes it's silly alright, go back to questing maybe?

As for the rest bashing down on pvp, if you don't like it or have nothing to do with it, why even bother posting here.
I see comments about that it's a waste of my subscription etc etc.
It's not, that's just your opinion of what this game should provide for you.
Thanks for your opinion, I'm expressing mine here.

And in the end; it's all about fun and having a nice day.
Giving everyone 10x hp is a huge mistake, as most people who commented here have replied, I appreciate the input a lot.
The purpose of this post is not the stop the upcoming change, it's just to express some feelings of a yes albeit very small part of the community but also still a part of the community.

And isn't Turbine's slogan, 'powered by our fans'
Well I am a fan too and I have all the right to create a post here and talk about it freely without blaming anybody, just being honest about such a huge impending change.

It's more that we are being left out, instead of making a global PvP area, with larges areas and more to do (this is the main problem getting one shot) or whatever.

And I been working 2 Months on my pvp ranger, just to get this update I quess.
Now I can hop on my 3500 SP FvS and do what? Dot people and fly around with 7000 HP.

I don't see any improvements in this change at all.

And even if it's just a very small percentage,
Turbine might still lose 1000's of hardcore players who been very kind for Turbine and the game and we have friends too who play DDO, so this could still be potentially a huge loss for Turbine if people decide to go.
On Ghallanda there's at least a couple hundred highly active players who enjoy a good pvp or clash.

Just my 2 cents,

Emphasized

The Multi-TR barb wasn't me. I was the caster with almost 0 knowledge of PVP. The barb had been in there everyday for weeks looking for someone to PVP. I beat him 6 times in a row in under a few seconds and decided it was boring and dumb. I did against my better judgement try on at least three more occasions vs. Different classes. the only class that was even remotely difficult was a ranger with multishot. Even then all I needed to do was run away till his 20 secs of burst were used and: Ottos irresistible dance + anything. Dancing people is easy. We both have haste. We move at the same speed. The area is confined. I will catch you. How absolutely boring! Who actually PVPs? It takes no skill only luck. that's why you guys are upset about the extra HP.

This barb then sent me 20 tells how big a noob I am bla bla bla till I squelched him. He probaably is still sending them to this day. Now why would I want to play something that took no skill on my part vs someone who does this everyday and was well geared out on his MyDDO. My caster could go in naked and still wipe the floor. That's why I compained about PVP being broken. It's too easy to kill people as a caster. At least with 10k HP they stand 3 seconds not two. Unyielding sovereignty anyone? PVPs broken and yes I will go back to questing and the 99% of the rest of the game outside of the lobster lol. Have fun.

It's not it's just your own silly gameplay style, I see them all the time... 10.000 hp won't save you either bro.
Trust me.
..
And I been working 2 Months on my pvp ranger, just to get this update I quess.
Now I can hop on my 3500 SP FvS and do what? Dot people and fly around with 7000 HP.

News flash if it were only skill involved then it wouldn't matter if everyone had one million HP. You beat him before with skill right? You both got like 10x more HP? Then you beat him the way you did with skill. Or did he run away from you for 20 while mutlishot was on cooldown? Oh right sorry. Skill.....

My pvp strategy before changes: 1....1....1... now it's a little more complicated it involves two dots 1.2....1.2.....1.2.... It'll be a tough change. Maybe I should sign this.

[NaturalHazard]

wow so i guess some people are too busy now playing Diablo 3? one can only hope.

[MartinusWyllt]

Does this mean I can turn on general chat in the Harbor now?

[Lleren]

wow so i guess some people are too busy now playing Diablo 3? one can only hope.

Think some folks got eaten.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

Or am I the one who is misinformed and i'm just over-reacting?
I highly doubt that with such a huge huge change.

Just my 2 cents!

/Signed.

Not a pro or anti pvp post from me, just a have you actually tested the changes and do you know what they really are?

Starting a thread to point out what a bad idea the change is when you state information that is inaccurate doesn't help your position.

Perhaps jump on lamannia, test it and then present helpful feedback. Turbine is obviously going to change something so try to guide rather than crush the idea.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

Does this mean I can turn on general chat in the Harbor now?

They should take all of the inns that have a brawling pit and make them one combined chat zone, separate from the rest of the areas.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

I think alot of the emotionally charged posts about PVP are primarily aimed at success or failure in the tavern brawling areas. This change I believe was made to kinda mull over the whining and crying about Dots in tavern brawls
.
A total "No Holds Barred" free for all is what the brawling areas are. It is NOT true pvp. Its just a load of horse-s where people just want to feel uber smashing lower level toons or w/e.

If you want TRUE pvp in DDO there is a mechanic built in to start a party of characters that YOU want to group with.

You find other groups that are willing to follow party composition rules and match rules.

You set the min and max levels of character levels that can fight.

You go to an arena seperate from the game world and you fight under the conditions that you and the parties you are fighting agree upon.

YOU make the rules, YOU are in charge of your own PVP fun.

And if you don't like this new change maybe you should have thought twice about complaining or crying over DoTs in tavern brawl.

[Abitar]

the hp kicker will extend the combat pass the firs few secs, all the pvp i see now is who has the biggest nuke. When 10th level sorcs can crit for 1k with out trying. And that is luck and not a skill win.

The 10k heals? Where is your bind point? and the 10 sec rule give a chance for the noob to get lost. or keep some from binding in the tavern and come back guns fireing fully healed after rezing. Also since on the test sever it was the whole phenox that was marked for pvp it give the chance to leave it

PVP will never be dead there will always be those who feel i should pound you into the ground to show that my build is better then yours.

Balance? AD&D was never balanced between classes, the classes complemented each other. But now the classes are merging into a super class;

So what balance is going to be brought to rogues and bards to make them more PVPable I wounder..

[insaneuou]

Thanks Turbine for working on issues that effect what 1% of your players? I know they shouldn't be ignored by you , now think maybs you can get back to working on the game 99% of us are paying you for (in 1 way or another)?

:: Disclaimer ::
Percentages shown are completely made up and should not be taken as facts although probably close.

No PvP'ers were harmed in this post.

Slapping on the face and saying sorry, good bro good!