Bravery Bonus For All

[muny21]

It should be available to all regardless if you vip or not. It should not be a VIP only perk. I have read multiple threads on this and heard all arguments and can agree with both sides. VIPs that pay for subs and buy extra hair dye, armor kits, xp pots, and etc spend just as much if not more than premiums that own all content and make similar extra purchases. Therefore end up being equal in monetary value. Of course, there are the other extremes where VIPs only buy subs and nothing more and premiums that buy only the smallest point pack. How to make this even out seems to be the problem. I have posted my solution in a couple threads but am sure it will go unnoticed by all the "who has a bigger e-peen" based on who spent more.

MY SUGGESTION:

It is rather simple if you ask me. Let premiums that own all packs and thus all quests open said quests on all difficulties. Once a new pack is introduced they lose that perk until they purchase the new pack. Sort of like a completionist for owning packs.

VIP can still feel special over the premiums that spend little money. Whereas premiums that spend a lot of money to own all the content get similar perk. To the VIPs saying that premiums can favor farm to buy packs or get a guildie/friend to open elite are naive. We are premium and made the purchases because we do not want to waste our time favor farming for a measly 25 TP for every hour, if you get it that fast. Just not an enjoyable way to play that game at all. To the other suggestion, of getting a VIP to open elite for us is equally ludicrous. Most people do not want to beg for people to help them and that is a form of begging. Oh please Mr. VIP open this quest for us little peasants on elite. Get over yourselves.

Lastly, elite unlock is not the only perk VIPs get. It is funny how you forget how much you really get and thus do not completely understand just how much it costs premiums to keep up with VIPs. You get all classes and races excluding the favor based drow and fvs, all content with early access to new content, 500 TP a month to spend, 10 character slots, and shared banks. Go ahead cancel your sub and purchase all of that like a lot of premiums have done and then tell me how you fell about spending hundreds of dollars on a game only to have someone that puts $10 a month get more benefits than you. I guarantee you would not like it either.

[arch0njw]

Hopefully ending up near the top of this so I don't start another thread...

In another thread I replied to I suggested a reasonable metric be found to reward Premium accounts that have sunk a fair amount of money in DDO. There should be a range so that someone who buys the lowest amount of TP just to become Premium isn't "perked" as much as someone who has bought hundreds of US$s worth of points.

[Qindark]

please...not another one of these threads....

[muny21]

please...not another one of these threads....

well i had to open another thread because of all the bickering and wanted the devs to see my suggestion. who wants to read 20 pages of people going back and forth on vips deserve this and premiums deserve that. i would much rather no comments be made on this thread and just have the devs read it then have 1000 comments on who deserves more.

[Seikojin]

You can get the bravery bonus no matter your sub level. Just have an opener like people do already. I don't see how elitist you could be that you demand something you can obtain to become automatic.

Especially given that they did boost hard and elite exp boosting for first time by a bunch!

[Thalmor]

You can get the bravery bonus no matter your sub level. Just have an opener like people do already. I don't see how elitist you could be that you demand something you can obtain to become automatic.

Especially given that they did boost hard and elite exp boosting for first time by a bunch!

Seems simle yes, but sometimes when you have a limited amount of time to play waiting for someone to fill a group is not an option, and no gurantee that someone will volunteer to open it fo you.

Why waste my time, when I can actuall be in the quest doing the quest.'

Besides I think the way the have proposed the "Bravery Bonus" is slightly flawed. Right now someone can level their character up to level 4 or 5, and then complete some low level quests on Elite to get their "Bravery Bonus" ( Doesn't sound very brave to me).

I think "Bravery Bonus" should be given to people who run quests that are over their present level, so long as they are not being Power Leveled by a much Higher Character.

So if you run a quest 1 level over your current level you get a 5% Bravery Bonus, 2 levels over you get a 10% bonus and 3 levels over you get 20% bonus. ( Don't forget Hard and Elite quest are usually Higher levels then the Normal quest).

[thegreatneil]

Bravery Bonus is not a vip perk.

[muny21]

You can get the bravery bonus no matter your sub level. Just have an opener like people do already. I don't see how elitist you could be that you demand something you can obtain to become automatic.

Especially given that they did boost hard and elite exp boosting for first time by a bunch!

I already answered why this is not an option. I do not stand on corners with my cup out begging for a hand out and why should I have to do that in this game? Begging vips who more than likely spent less on this game to help me. Just ridiculous.

Bravery Bonus is not a vip perk.

In its current implementation it is. Even the dev noticed and mentioned it was not meant to be this way. No I will not provide a link to his comment find it on other threads.

Please do not flood this thread with all this circular logic that have flooded the other threads. I made this thread so that my suggestion actually has a chance of being viewed by the devs. If any one else wants to argue in circles please see the other threads. Thank you.

[Darkrok]

I already answered why this is not an option. I do not stand on corners with my cup out begging for a hand out and why should I have to do that in this game? Begging vips who more than likely spent less on this game to help me. Just ridiculous.



In its current implementation it is. Even the dev noticed and mentioned it was not meant to be this way. No I will not provide a link to his comment find it on other threads.

Please do not flood this thread with all this circular logic that have flooded the other threads. I made this thread so that my suggestion actually has a chance of being viewed by the devs. If any one else wants to argue in circles please see the other threads. Thank you.

What you're asking for here is that for people to not post to disagree with your argument so that the dev's will see this thread and think that your opinion is shared by the entire community.

It's not.

First, this bonus is just that - a bonus. You don't have to have it. You don't have it now. If it were being added as a VIP only bonus then that would be something. God knows VIP is already a dubious value...it wouldn't have shocked me to see it added as a VIP only bonus. Or to add the new xp pots as a VIP only perk. You get the idea here...VIP's could use some more perks and an xp bonus of some type as a VIP only perk could actually make sense if implemented correctly.

However, that's not even the case here. If even one person in your group can open hard/elite then you're set. You still get to keep your bonus going. The bonus isn't VIP only. It just requires someone that's able to open elite to be in the group.

For full disclosure, I actually support the idea of giving this perk as an earned perk in 2 cases. 1) Hard opening for TRx1, Elite for TRx2+ and 2) As a server-wide favor reward at an extremely high level of favor (3500?). Even though it's currently a VIP-only perk to get it automatically I think it's legitimate that those two groups receive it as a reward. The former group needs the extra xp to level. The latter group has obviously run everything (or close to everything) elite already and shouldn't have to reopen it on normal on new toons.

Sorry to disagree with your 'posting ban' for dissenting opinions but I can't accept the viewpoint that anyone that disagrees with you is disallowed from speaking their minds.

[Seikojin]

I already answered why this is not an option. I do not stand on corners with my cup out begging for a hand out and why should I have to do that in this game? Begging vips who more than likely spent less on this game to help me. Just ridiculous.



In its current implementation it is. Even the dev noticed and mentioned it was not meant to be this way. No I will not provide a link to his comment find it on other threads.

Please do not flood this thread with all this circular logic that have flooded the other threads. I made this thread so that my suggestion actually has a chance of being viewed by the devs. If any one else wants to argue in circles please see the other threads. Thank you.

Uh, Neither do I. If Elite is what I want to do, then I have done hard already. If I pug up with someone with elite open, then that is icing on the cake.

I don't agree with your suggestion as it doesn't apply to enough people to be relevant. That is why I am standing against it.

Also, a few breaks in your wall of waste would be good to help make it digestable. Even after reading it, all I see is the same 'I am not included' complaint.

[rest]

I made this thread so that my suggestion actually has a chance of being viewed by the devs. If any one else wants to argue in circles please see the other threads. Thank you.

Bit of an ego on you huh? What makes YOUR suggestion the be-all end-all solution for this alleged problem? So much so that you can't be bothered to put it in a thread that you didn't start?

I can tell you right now I didn't bother to read your initial post because its just a big chunk of text with poor formatting.

If VIPs are so vastly superior, why aren't you one? You bemoan "spending hundreds of dollars on a game only to have someone that puts $10 a month get more benefits than you." So why DID you spend 100's of dollars on a game if you could reap, according to you, better benefits being a VIP and paying $10 a month. Sounds to me like you have sour grapes syndrome because you bought content/races/classes permanently rather than renting it like a VIP does.

For the record, I'm a VIP and I love it. For all the reasons you listed: Access to all content, access to all races, access to all classes, elite unlock, 500 TP to buy XP pots with and 10 character slots. I LOVE it. That's why I'm VIP.

Don't be mad at me because I chose a different payment method than you. If you really want elite unlock, buy it in the store. Or become a VIP and get it for the price of your subscription.

[muny21]

Bit of an ego on you huh? What makes YOUR suggestion the be-all end-all solution for this alleged problem? So much so that you can't be bothered to put it in a thread that you didn't start?

Sounds to me like you have sour grapes syndrome because you bought content/races/classes permanently rather than renting it like a VIP does.

For the record, I'm a VIP and I love it. For all the reasons you listed: Access to all content, access to all races, access to all classes, elite unlock, 500 TP to buy XP pots with and 10 character slots. I LOVE it. That's why I'm VIP.

You are way out of line. I never said I was superior. I never said no one can post. All I ASKED was people to not bring in the same arguement that was in other threads to this one. If you feel like my suggestion is no good say so. No need to bring in the same drama from the other threads.

Lastly, no I do not have sour grapes. I love it that I own all the packs and the races and classes I wanted to purchase. I do not care much for paying $10 a month to play a game because it feels wrong to me. Just like any other game I play it is purchased and mine to enjoy without spending more money.

Do I feel like I should get every thing a VIP gets... no. I am not asking for 10 character slots, early access, free shared banks, and all races and classes. But at the same time where are the perks for being premium and sinking in hundreds of dollars into the game.

Why do VIPs feel like they are the only ones that deserve elite unlock? What makes you so special? Why can't a premium that can purchase everything in the game not be offered same perk after spending so much?

Seems fair to me. But VIPs never could understand how fairness works and turbine should of never used that wording for subscribers. Now most feel like they are royalty in the game and the rest are pee-ons and should be grateful that one of them would be so kind to open elite for us to get bonus.

[Mercules]

Why do VIPs feel like they are the only ones that deserve elite unlock? What makes you so special? Why can't a premium that can purchase everything in the game not be offered same perk after spending so much?

Because it is JUST as likely that we spend just as much if not more than Premium, and we offer steady income on top of our burst income from purchasing TP points. I'm raising my hand because I've bought $50 worth of Turbine points in the last two months. Who else has?

[rest]

You are way out of line. I never said I was superior. I never said no one can post. All I ASKED was people to not bring in the same arguement that was in other threads to this one. If you feel like my suggestion is no good say so. No need to bring in the same drama from the other threads.

Lastly, no I do not have sour grapes. I love it that I own all the packs and the races and classes I wanted to purchase. I do not care much for paying $10 a month to play a game because it feels wrong to me. Just like any other game I play it is purchased and mine to enjoy without spending more money.

Do I feel like I should get every thing a VIP gets... no. I am not asking for 10 character slots, early access, free shared banks, and all races and classes. But at the same time where are the perks for being premium and sinking in hundreds of dollars into the game.

Why do VIPs feel like they are the only ones that deserve elite unlock? What makes you so special? Why can't a premium that can purchase everything in the game not be offered same perk after spending so much?

Seems fair to me. But VIPs never could understand how fairness works and turbine should of never used that wording for subscribers. Now most feel like they are royalty in the game and the rest are pee-ons and should be grateful that one of them would be so kind to open elite for us to get bonus.

You edited your post, but I know there was something about "wanting to start your own thread so your great idea didn't get buried 20 pages deep". Thus you felt your idea was SO SUPERIOR that it deserved its own thread. I feel your suggestion is no good. Feel better?

You chose the payment method that you think works the best for you. Awesome. Good For You.

Where are the perks? Well you own that content. It can never be taken away. You can decide to not spend a single additional red cent ever again, and you'll still be able to use all the stuff you currently have. For as long as the game is still up and running. If I stop paying my VIP subscription I'm down to 4 character slots, no premium races or classes and just the f2p content that anyone gets for free.

That is a VIP perk that Turbine decided to give. That's why they "deserve it". What makes a premium player such as yourself feel you "deserve" elite unlock? What dollar amount threshold qualifies you to get that perk? $100? $200? $500? $1,000?

You can get elite unlock as a premium. They sell it in the store. You (probably) have friends who have VIP subscriptions. There is the LFM panel that you can use to ask for an elite opener. I've done elite opening stuff for people dozens of times. If I am not doing anything and I see an LFM up asking for an elite unlock, I'll join party, open it up and be on my merry way.

Seems to me that this "us vs them" thing is something that looms very large in your mind, but really isn't that big of a deal to me. Plenty of people in my guild are premium. Several of my very best friends in game are premium. They're still my friends and guildies. I never even think about them not being VIP when we're playing together. The only time it comes up is when I suggest a pack they don't have. And then you know what I do? I buy em a guest pass. Having friends is amazing.


If you want VIP benefits, become a VIP. Or don't. But to cry out "IT'S SO NOT FAIR!!" is just silly.

[kernal42]

Bravery Bonus should not be a vip perk.

Fixed for you

[IamSooty]

This is actually getting pretty fun to watch. Who doesn't know that gaming forums are the best places for debate?

[Fenwulf]

What gets me is everyone arguing this as if it was implemented to be a perk for vip. To me is seems more like something turbine came up with for one purpose. To sell hard/elite unlocks from the store. The bravery bonus seems like a very convoluted setup unless you look at in that light to me. As such I think it will be a cold day in hell before they offer more people the ability to unlock hard elite like VIP. This whole system is all about trying to sell store items that currently have almost no value for the cost, so they are trying to increase their value.

[rest]

I'm a VIP. Have been for a long time. And I've purchased a few $50 point bundles. Not more than 5, but a few. My subscription has been active for 4 of the last 5 years. Where's my parade for spending all this money? Where's my internet high five for shelling out money?


IT'S NOT FAIR!!!

[IamSooty]

I'm a VIP. Have been for a long time. And I've purchased a few $50 point bundles. Not more than 5, but a few. My subscription has been active for 4 of the last 5 years. Where's my parade for spending all this money? Where's my internet high five for shelling out money?


IT'S NOT FAIR!!!

Maybe all your decked out characters and the feel-good from your charitable actions?