Bravery Bonus For All

[moops]

If bravery bonus applies to f2p--we will see even more people at lvl 20 without a solid knowledge of the game, and without proper gear. Pugs in Amrath without heavy fort won't be a rare thing we laugh at once a week, it will become a daily joke.

[kernal42]

It's not a fallacy, because in another year he will have still paid for his content and I will have added on another $120. Do you believe Turbine will put out over $120 dollars worth of unlock-able content that I get access to but he does not without paying for it?

I'm glad you've adjusted your argument to be reasonable. What you said before was still fallacious, though.
And, of course, the speculation of "who pays more" is still irrelevant.

Paying VIP has diminishing returns without the couple perks we have.

Yes. The value of VIP is obviously front-loaded.

I think VIP should come with more perks than it does, but I firmly believe the perks should all be convenience, as they are now (at least, on Live).

-Kernal

[kernal42]

If bravery bonus applies to f2p--we will see even more people at lvl 20 without a solid knowledge of the game, and without proper gear. Pugs in Amrath without heavy fort won't be a rare thing we laugh at once a week, it will become a daily joke.

This is ridiculous.

Taking full advantage of the Bravery system is something like a +10% exp gain. Brand new players aren't likely to be able to do this; probably they'll get more like a +5% exp gain, if that. That makes them ~95% as experienced as first-lifers are now.

Furthermore, your implication that F2P players are dumber than ViPs is absurd.

-Kernal

[Mercules]

I think VIP should come with more perks than it does, but I firmly believe the perks should all be convenience, as they are now (at least, on Live).

-Kernal

And this is where the problem comes in. Some people see wide open access to the Bravery mechanic as a right. In a game where you can cap a character in a month and when TRing in a month or two a bit of faster XP is really a convenience. Do you have to have XP pots? No? You can level to cap on a 2nd TR without them, but it is more convenient to have them. Do you need Masters Voice? No, but it makes it more convenient.

[kernal42]

And this is where the problem comes in. Some people see wide open access to the Bravery mechanic as a right. In a game where you can cap a character in a month and when TRing in a month or two a bit of faster XP is really a convenience. Do you have to have XP pots? No? You can level to cap on a 2nd TR without them, but it is more convenient to have them. Do you need Masters Voice? No, but it makes it more convenient.

Wrong.
Anything that lets you achieve your goal faster is power. Levelling to 20 faster is power; getting loot faster is power; levelling crafting faster is power. These are all power; none are convenience.
Convenience is not having to run a quest all 3 times to get max favor.
Convenience is having larger inventory bags.
Convenience is being able to wiggle your toes to teleport to the marketplace.

-Kernal

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If bravery bonus applies to f2p--we will see even more people at lvl 20 without a solid knowledge of the game, and without proper gear. Pugs in Amrath without heavy fort won't be a rare thing we laugh at once a week, it will become a daily joke.

Silly Hex! That's why you don't pug. Unless you're a masochist

[mournbladereigns]

Why is it a bad idea? It is only for quests. I am not saying packs should give all VIP perks which they tend to forget includes all races and classes, extra slots, shared banks, and early access. That would be a terrible idea.

VIPs still have to pay for FvS, FYI

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VIPs still have to pay for FvS, FYI

Unless you get 2500 favor

[kernal42]

VIPs still have to pay for FvS, FYI

Not if they unlock it via favor!

[Mercules]

Wrong.
Anything that lets you achieve your goal faster is power. Levelling to 20 faster is power; getting loot faster is power; levelling crafting faster is power. These are all power; none are convenience.
Convenience is not having to run a quest all 3 times to get max favor.
Convenience is having larger inventory bags.
Convenience is being able to wiggle your toes to teleport to the marketplace.

-Kernal

All of which "achieve your goal faster". Favor unlocks things that let your run quests faster, new classes, long term buffs. Larger inventory bags mean less trips to sell so faster loot runs. Teleporting means less time wasted between quests and more XP per minute.

[muny21]

VIPs still have to pay for FvS, FYI

It was stated in my original post FYI. Yet another one that can't read. Is this the can't read and comprehend thread?

[Mercules]

Not if they unlock it via favor!

You mean just like everyone else? Null value to either type.

[Sleepsalot]

/ Rant On
NO to the OP

You want the same as VIP pay for VIP that being said I don't think just because you have bought Packs that makes you on the same level ground as VIP.

But I also think the Bravery bonus should apply to Normal as Hard and Elite..

Also when and if this gets to live any Toon there has already done as many quests as they could so are not able to get the Bonus.

Unless you are a TR.

This is the wrong way for the Game to go the way I feel..

/Rant Off


Sleeps

[Mercules]

Why would VIP feel special? I don't know... maybe because Turbine tells us we are?

The DDO VIP program is the best value for players who want access to everything in DDO! Being a VIP provides unlimited access to all Adventure Packs, premium classes and races, and free Turbine Points to spend in the DDO Store every month. It also provides our highest level of service, from priority login access to additional free character slots. It’s the white glove, velvet rope way to go! A monthly DDO VIP subscription costs £8.99, and even less for multi-month plans!

[kernal42]

All of which "achieve your goal faster". Favor unlocks things that let your run quests faster, new classes, long term buffs. Larger inventory bags mean less trips to sell so faster loot runs. Teleporting means less time wasted between quests and more XP per minute.

"achieve your goals faster" was obviously too lenient of a wording.
Nothing about the favor rewards gives more power. Maybe they should, but they don't.
Nothing about most collectibles gives more power; keeping them is convenience - I throw out most of them.
Anybody can teleport - it's a convenience to not have to carry teleport scrolls.

You mean just like everyone else? Null value to either type.

Obviously. This was my point; specifically that VIP do not need to buy FvS (or drow?).

-Kernal

[Full_Bleed]

Let premiums that own all packs and thus all quests open said quests on all difficulties. Once a new pack is introduced they lose that perk until they purchase the new pack. Sort of like a completionist for owning packs.

This doesn't fix the problem problem with the bravery VIP bonus. It just creates slightly more access for a few premiums.

But I do like the idea of incentivizing Premium Players to buy all of the packs. It is something Turbine should consider.

[muny21]

You want the same as VIP pay for VIP that being said I don't think just because you have bought Packs that makes you on the same level ground as VIP.

I know you were not ranting to me, at least you stated so, but I was not asking to be on same ground as VIP.

Why do VIPs only think they get elite unlock as a perk?

You get much much more than that.

To be able to unlock all quests on all difficulties sort of like the completionist feat but for the packs does not amount to being VIP in no stretch. If VIPs think they only get elite unlock here is a reminder for you:

http://www.ddo.com/vip

That is quite a lot of goodies if you ask me.

I do not know. Maybe I am the only that sees it this way but if you unlock all quests through purchase via VIP or Premium why not be able to open them on any difficulty? It will not kill VIP subs because they are not going to want to buy every single pack just to keep elite unlock. Then have to buy all their shared banks, character slots, races, classes and such. If they did they would not be VIP.

[muny21]

This doesn't fix the problem problem with the bravery VIP bonus. It just creates slightly more access for a few premiums.

But I do like the idea of incentivizing Premium Players to buy all of the packs. It is something Turbine should consider.

Thanks to this. I believe so as well.

[kernal42]

I know you were not ranting to me, at least you stated so, but I was not asking to be on same ground as VIP.

Why do VIPs only think they get elite unlock as a perk?

You get much much more than that.

To be able to unlock all quests on all difficulties sort of like the completionist feat but for the packs does not amount to being VIP in no stretch. If VIPs think they only get elite unlock here is a reminder for you:

http://www.ddo.com/vip

That is quite a lot of goodies if you ask me.

They really don't get much, beyond the obvious (paid access to content, that is). I'm not sure what you see to be "quite a lot of goodies" - most are pretty irrelevant (like queue order? Is that even perceptible?).

-Kernal

[Mercules]

Nothing about the favor rewards gives more power. Maybe they should, but they don't.

A level 6 character with House P buffs might dispute that claim.

Nothing about most collectibles gives more power; keeping them is convenience - I throw out most of them.

Many of them are used for crafting now.
Those are everyone perks, not VIP perks. Do Half-Orcs offer more power? I don't have to buy that as a VIP, it's included in my package. How about WF? Monks?

The couple things VIP ws given that could not be bought were conveniences and I am sorry, but XP is EASY to come by in this game. Leveling is easy. As you said it is a 10% bonus at most.