My observations on Bards

[gavijal]

I'm playing lvl 20 Bard for 2 months now. I made Horc classic rocker warchanter and its great. Modest dps, best warchanter songs, ok heals if its needed, buffs what man can ask more for? Well is some1 wants to try/play bard there are some cons
1. noobs don't know how awesome bards are for group, what boost for their dps u will be, that u can switch 2 off healing (with good gear even like main healer), that u buff, rage and haste party all the time, remove curse/poison etc..

2. noobs don't get how awesome your songs are so they don't wait for songs , they just running around even on the start of the dungeon ( Barbarian mostly )

3. I personally have on any boss fight- quicken+ maximize+ sup ardor clicky and have my finger on mass cure critical ( saved so many times healers on hard boss fight) + i raise dead + scroll heal when things go wrong and didn't get any single "thank you for heals". funny thing is ppl will mostly congratulate noob cleric/fvs for great healing without knowing that you are 1 kept them alive. You will not get thank you for 20-30 heal scrolls or potions u spent, clerick/fvs will, or no1 will donate any of them 2 you.

4. Your main CC and 1 of great strengths to be Bard is fascinate, Highest Dc in game, even warchanter with starting 12 charisma can get 2 lvl where no mob can resist.. great..or is it? 80% of melee will constantly breaking fascinate mobs with cleave or they will not know why the hell that mob is just staring at them with all that little notes floating around them. Mostly I give up soon, because after spending 5 songs you will see how it goes .

5. Bards cant dps.. - yes we can, not good as fighters/barb etc but our dps is modest + dps boost for raid = dps

I'm not bragging here.. just wanted to point out some things for new bard players.

My 2 cents here ( and sorry for bad English)

[Skavenaps]

1. noobs don't know how awesome bards are for group, what boost for their dps u will be, that u can switch 2 off healing (with good gear even like main healer), that u buff, rage and haste party all the time, remove curse/poison etc..

2. noobs don't get how awesome your songs are so they don't wait for songs , they just running around even on the start of the dungeon ( Barbarian mostly )

if someone dont wait for your songs, could be they just dont need them. on my fighter i usally dont wait for the 1 minut waiting for the 3 or 4 songs.

better rage/haste run to the first melee group and start singing.

[Jevern]

Let em run. My songs are for me and anyone who happens to be around me when I sing. I will make effort to buff in places where there are more people, and I haste and rage mid-fight so everyone gets them. However, if you run away from my songs, you can do without them =D

I run *back* to bards if I hear their songs because they're pretty much full of awesome.

As for healing, I think that's a common misconception. I'm not too bothered myself, cuz it's not something I do throughout quests or raids anyway, just if the need arises. That's what bards are supposed to be anyway - jack of all trades. Comes in pretty handy sometimes!

[wigthemaster]

I'm playing lvl 20 Bard for 2 months now. I made Horc classic rocker warchanter and its great. Modest dps, best warchanter songs, ok heals if its needed, buffs what man can ask more for? Well is some1 wants to try/play bard there are some cons
1. Newbs don't know how awesome bards are for group, what boost for their dps u will be, that u can switch 2 off healing (with good gear even like main healer), that u buff, rage and haste party all the time, remove curse/poison etc..

2. Newbs don't get how awesome your songs are so they don't wait for songs , they just running around even on the start of the dungeon ( Barbarian mostly )

3. I personally have on any boss fight- quicken+ maximize+ sup ardor clicky and have my finger on mass cure critical ( saved so many times healers on hard boss fight) + i raise dead + scroll heal when things go wrong and didn't get any single "thank you for heals". funny thing is ppl will mostly congratulate noob cleric/fvs for great healing without knowing that you are 1 kept them alive. You will not get thank you for 20-30 heal scrolls or potions u spent, clerick/fvs will, or no1 will donate any of them 2 you.

4. Your main CC and 1 of great strengths to be Bard is fascinate, Highest Dc in game, even warchanter with starting 12 charisma can get 2 lvl where no mob can resist.. great..or is it? 80% of melee will constantly breaking fascinate mobs with cleave or they will not know why the hell that mob is just staring at them with all that little notes floating around them. Mostly I give up soon, because after spending 5 songs you will see how it goes .

5. Bards cant dps.. - yes we can, not good as fighters/barb etc but our dps is modest + dps boost for raid = dps

I'm not bragging here.. just wanted to point out some things for new bard players.

My 2 cents here ( and sorry for bad English)

When i sing my songs are for me and myself only, stand around me if you want them. I hage first because like it or not sometimes it's just way faster to run through without songs in a dungeon. And often people just plain 'ole don't need them. The add to damage doesn't matter if the mob dies in 1-2 hits anyways.

As for healing it's mostly because, how many bards do you see healing? rogues, pallys, rangers, CAN heal but how often do they? It's force of habit to say thank you to the common divine class. And they're usually not compensated for whatever they used (divines), atleast on my server (Orien).

As for the 80% show me the study or stop doing XX%. Also most people actually know what fascinate looks like but the only place i can think of where it's often used in eVon 6.


Bard dps win

[gavijal]

I'm talking about epic quests, not low lvl quests. Why not to help healing when u see that cleric struggle? And i mean NOOBS not Newbs, because I had problem with TR guys , even was asked from (legend) monk what fascinate is.

[wigthemaster]

I'm talking about epic quests, not low lvl quests. Why not to help healing when u see that cleric struggle? And i mean NOOBS not Newbs, because I had problem with TR guys , even was asked from (legend) monk what fascinate is.

[gavijal]

As for the 80% show me the study or stop doing XX%. Also most people actually know what fascinate looks like but the only place i can think of where it's often used in eVon 6.

Royal ministry of Stormreach made a research and results were shocking !!

80% melee braking fascinate
76% Horc females above age 32 are still single
34% halflings have slept with a hamster
59% male drows wear tangas

[wigthemaster]

Royal ministry of Stormreach made a research and results were shocking !!

80% melee braking fascinate
76% Horc female above age 32 are still single
34% halflings have slept with a hamster
59% male drows wear tangas
99% Helf Males above age 40 are still single

<.<

[Skavenaps]

stadistics means nothing, and its something that 40% peeps know.

[Ryan220]

I run a L12 TR Warchanter and have come across a lot of what has been said by the OP.

Many people just arent fully aware of the abilities of other classes - I guess its even more difficult to understand what a Bard can do if youve never rolled one, as they can do so much.


Its is a fantastically versatile and fulfilling class to play, but Ive long since come to the conclusion that Bards are misunderstood by many.

[gavijal]

I run a L12 TR Warchanter and have come across a lot of what has been said by the OP.

Many people just arent fully aware of the abilities of other classes - I guess its even more difficult to understand what a Bard can do if youve never rolled one, as they can do so much.


Its is a fantastically versatile and fulfilling class to play, but Ive long since come to the conclusion that Bards are misunderstood by many.

This is what Im talking about

[Valindria]

So you are saying The Classic Rocker is amazing and bad players are bad.


I agree.

[gavijal]

So you are saying The Classic Rocker is amazing and bad players are bad.


I agree.

Saying that The Classic Rocker is amazing but noobs don't realize it
nah, just want write what new bard player can expect if they roll a bard

[Astraghal]

I admire people who can play their support type characters aggressively. I've played with some great Bard and Cleric players (both pug and guild). They often lead from the front and it's too bad if you can't keep up to get songs or healing bursts. They see themselve's as primarily DPS who just happen to be able to heal, buff and crowd control. I've seen some of these guys put random Fighters and Barbarians to shame when it comes to destroying mobs.

Edit: That's the type of Bard I would aspire to playing.

[somenewnoob]

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I run *back* to bards if I hear their songs because they're pretty much full of awesome.

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Agreed! When I hear that white boy playing that funky music I come a running!

I always am glad to see a bard in any group I'm in. (And my next alt is a Bard for sure!)

[bartosy]

I'm playing lvl 20 Bard for 2 months now.

1. noobs

2. noobs

3. noob cleric/fvs

4. 80% of melee will constantly breaking fascinate mobs with cleave or they will not know why the hell that mob is just staring at them with all that little notes floating around them. Mostly I give up soon, because after spending 5 songs you will see how it goes . (noobs?)

5. Bards cant dps.. - yes we can, not good as fighters/barb etc but our dps is modest + dps boost for raid = dps (froobs?)

join date : feb 2011

[SaneDitto]

Forum join date =/= Game join date.

Furthermore, he has been playing his bard for two months, which is within the time allotted to learn a significant portion of the game. Is there something I am missing here?

[Rydin_Dirtay]

if someone dont wait for your songs, could be they just dont need them. on my fighter i usally dont wait for the 1 minut waiting for the 3 or 4 songs.

better rage/haste run to the first melee group and start singing.

Yeah, if all you ever zerg are Dhakaan runs.

You run Sins on elite and you will get a faster smoother completion WAITING for all the buffs, than not waiting. You can say that about lots of other at-level runs in the game, Blockade Buster elite at level, I'll take everything I can get to avoid a 220 hp Delayed Blast Fireball.

[markusthelion]

join date : feb 2011

/agree

[Aashrym]

if someone dont wait for your songs, could be they just dont need them. on my fighter i usally dont wait for the 1 minut waiting for the 3 or 4 songs.

better rage/haste run to the first melee group and start singing.

A player or party might not need bard songs but the bards songs will always make things better regardless. That same bard can rage/haste and sing while running or during the engagement of the first group to keep up the pace.

I know players who mean serious business on fast completions and they don't wait. Fortunately bards don't need to stand still to sing. Full movement so there's no need to slow down the group to sing most of the time.