Artificer and Completionist

[Uska]

If you haven't done all classes to 20 you aren't a completionist now this agree with I don't agree you should lose you +3 tomes or better

[Thrudh]

The Completionist feat will turn into a free feat respec token whenever a new class is released.

The real problem is tomes... People who "finish" their characters CANNOT read tomes, unless they get 2 of each kind, because a new class is always on the horizon.

I got my first +4 tome the other week, and it's rather depressing to me that it sits in my bank because I'm not sure if I'm going to TR again.

[Cyr]

The real problem is tomes... People who "finish" their characters CANNOT read tomes, unless they get 2 of each kind, because a new class is always on the horizon.

I got my first +4 tome the other week, and it's rather depressing to me that it sits in my bank because I'm not sure if I'm going to TR again.

Yup, that sums it up nicely.

There should not be incentives in game that make it so you have good loot sitting around in your bank instead of using it.

[Vordax]

Wonder what the passive past life feat will be.. I suspect +1 UMD and +1 repair skill. Though I doubt artificers will be so dependent on UMD in DDO like they are in PnP, but who knows..

Vordax

[Qzipoun]

I don't agree you should lose you +3 tomes or better

The real problem is tomes... People who "finish" their characters CANNOT read tomes, unless they get 2 of each kind, because a new class is always on the horizon.

I got my first +4 tome the other week, and it's rather depressing to me that it sits in my bank because I'm not sure if I'm going to TR again.

There should not be incentives in game that make it so you have good loot sitting around in your bank instead of using it.

This. This. This.

New classes are to be expected so while having to double TR when they are introduced is a huge pain there really isn't any way for Turbine to avoid that and still be 'fair' (someone joining post-U11 should have the same shot at it as someone joining before).

However, BECAUSE new classes are to be expected, eating a tome becomes a huge issue. I should not have +4 tomes of my main stats sitting in the bank just because a new class might show up that I will need to TR into... Heck, I know for sure I will TR my guy soon (maybe even go for completionist) so now this puts me in a situation where the hardest items to get (excluding eROSS) just sit in my bank when I acquire them!?

Make tomes reusable and Bind to Character - On Use. Heck make just raid tomes reusable (would breathe some life into the +2 tomes from VON/Titan/DQ which are now inferior to common loot-gen tomes...)

[Cetus]

I am exhausted with lamenting about tomes and the issues with the feat in general...the developers never posted about our concerns and probably never will.

[Rumbaar]

I am exhausted with lamenting about tomes and the issues with the feat in general...the developers never posted about our concerns and probably never will.

It's interesting that the feat wasn't meant to make it live and was only put there as a joke.

But I'm sad for all those 'final' life completionists' that ate +4 tomes.

[Blank_Zero]

The Completionist feat will turn into a free feat respec token whenever a new class is released.

Cool idea!

[Combat_Wombat]

I don't know of a single completionist out of three who didn't use XP Pots, and of all those I know of that TR, most of them use XP pots too. Then there are the mana pots that make flying through levels with a caster ridiculously easy.

Regarding the OP, the worst part is, imo, the +4 tomes they have to re-obtain.

XP and SP pots are easily obtainable in the game in mass quantities for free very easily

and its also extremely easy to make a character without +4 tomes

Everyone who TR's or tries for completionist should be well aware of what they are getting into as its well spelled out all along the way. No one is making you TR again and lose your tomes if they are that important don't do it. It is that simple.

[Kakashi67]

I'm curious how many people do just the straight completionist and then stop. Seems like quite a few completionists go for 20+ TRs.

[Culver.Civello]

I sense a bug coming. >.>

[Ungood]

The Completionist feat will turn into a free feat respec token whenever a new class is released.

I was wondering about that, but this is good to know! Thanks for the heads up!

And great job thinking ahead like that! Kudos!

[Hollowgolem]

I don't know of a single completionist out of three who didn't use XP Pots, and of all those I know of that TR, most of them use XP pots too. Then there are the mana pots that make flying through levels with a caster ridiculously easy.

Regarding the OP, the worst part is, imo, the +4 tomes they have to re-obtain.

On life 5 of my completionist, no XP pots.

Though I haven't hit the caster lives yet.

[Chette]

You could also just stay an Artificer. That'll save you the last TR.

No, you'll need to TR twice to get completionist back as you need to get past life artificer. I suppose you could LR 3 times to get the artificer past life and then TR again into something eligible for completionist, but that's a lot of hearts.

[Qzipoun]

Everyone who TR's or tries for completionist should be well aware of what they are getting into as its well spelled out all along the way. No one is making you TR again and lose your tomes if they are that important don't do it. It is that simple.

You're missing the fact that simply getting completionist puts you in a never-ending quest for tomes. You get completionist before U11? Well now you have to choose between either keeping completionist or your tomes... Got completionist again after U11? Well as soon as another class comes out you have to make the same choice again, it never ends

As soon as a new class comes out, you LOSE +2 to all your stats and skills. That in itself is fine, it's clearly laid out like you say but having to lose your +4 tomes too? That's pushing it... It wouldn't be so bad if the tomes weren't so hard to get...

[Hollowgolem]

If they didn't give you some way to lose hard-to-get things, there'd be a definite endgame.

That doesn't make sense if they're trying to keep us playing.

It's nice to have a goal on the horizon, and this helps keep the goal on the horizon.

I for one don't mind Turbine dangling a radish in front of us.

[gloopygloop]

So, all those completionists out there will have to TR ($$$) into an Artificer ($$$) and then TR ($$$) back into their original class to get back to where they are today.

Nice.

I really don't think that will be a big deal for any completionists that are out there today. If they already TR'd more than a dozen times, then two more won't be a calamaty and they most likely have a fair number of epic tokens sitting around if they were on their "final" life.

If I were a completionist and not already VIP, I'd probably just go VIP for a month and knock out the Artificer life/lives (depends on how attractive their passive past life is) during that VIP month. If Artificer turns out to be a whole lot of fun, then I'd buy them for keeps. If not, then I don't have to go back to the class after that month is over.

The real kick in the pants is the loss of +3 and +4 tomes for anyone who was on their "final" life. Of course, we've known for months now that new classes were coming, so it's unlikely that anyone who wants the completionist feat for their "final" life would eat more than a +3 Dex tome just for hitting 17 Dex to grab TWF.

[gloopygloop]

If they didn't give you some way to lose hard-to-get things, there'd be a definite endgame.

There is no way for us to lose Greensteel weapons (unless you count throwing meteors in the Abbot raid).

There is no way for us to lose Epic gear.

There is no way for us to lose Raid loot.

[Hollowgolem]

But Greensteel, Epic gear, and raid loot can be outclassed by new things (in theory).

You can't outclass raw bonuses to stats, so you make them go away on TR.

Seems sensible to me.

[gloopygloop]

But Greensteel, Epic gear, and raid loot can be outclassed by new things (in theory).

You can't outclass raw bonuses to stats, so you make them go away on TR.

Seems sensible to me.

You can outclass raw bonuses to stats with bigger raw bonuses to stats. It has happened a few times before in DDO - once when +3 tomes were introduced and once when +4 tomes were introduced.

Also, the fact that the better Greensteel weapons haven't really been outclassed by anything since they were introduced kind of puts a hole in that.