Rude? Or to be expected?

[mobrien316]

The other day I’m in a Chrono run on normal with my level 7 cleric. We started off with two clerics, but the other one ran straight into the Rusty Nail and promptly said he had to go AFK for a minute. That was the last anyone heard from him. So I was pretty much solo healing the raid.

Before we went in the leader asked if I could heal or if I was a “ battlecleric” (and the tone of his voice let me know exactly what he thought of battleclerics…). I said that I would swap out my greataxe and switch from DPS mode to healing mode. I have a mace that does lousy damage but amplifies my healing spells, I have Empowered Healing, healing burst, and I carry a bunch of wands.

In the fight with Blood Plate I went through all of my SP (it took three or four rounds to drop him – lots of people were going after him instead of the armorers) and was left with nothing but wands. No deaths, though a few close calls. This was my first time solo healing a raid.

We hit the Blood Plate chest and I see one of the fighters has a cure wand. I ask if I could get it from him and he says, “No, I need the money.” Okay, it’s his loot. I guess he doesn’t realize I am spending my money on wands to heal him and the rest of the raid. No big deal.

We get to the Razor Arm chest and another melee character gets a cure wand. I ask him if I could “steal that wand from him” and he says he needs it to sell to make money. This was a different player than the first one. I ask the whole group on voice that if anyone gets any mana pots I would sure appreciate them if they aren’t going to use the pots themselves. Even though I see a number of pots in the chests, no one offers them to me. Once again I’m thinking – no big deal. Their loot is their loot. But it is a bit one-way, in my opinion.

At the final chest I again politely ask that if anyone gets any mana pots or cure wands and isn’t going to use them, I would appreciate it if they passed them to me. Even though I see a few cure wands and mana pots in the chests, only one elven rogue passes me a mana pot and says, “Thanks – Great job on the heals.”

I understand that their loot is their loot, but when I play a melee character and a cleric is working hard and burning through SP and wands to keep the party healed, I always try to pass them some pots or wands. My rogue sometimes carries mana pots for no other reason than to pass them to a hard-working cleric. I think it just good manners. The cleric is burning through his own plats to keep me healed, let me throw some of my plats his way in the form of wands, scrolls, or pots.

I know that the others can sell their pots and wands for plats, and that's fine. A little sharing would be nice.

Don't forget to tip your healer!

Just my two cents on the matter…

[Vellrad]

If I were you, and if I would be OOM, I wouldn't use any ressources on someone who don't want to give you (almost) worthless wand.
After all, why the hell you need to pay for his raid completion?

[gyerv59]

I've seen a lot of this on my FvS, it is what it is. Next time your with a group like that and there screaming for heals, tell them your they needed there to sell there wands for plat, and you nedd your sp for self heals. They prob won't get the message, but atleeast you tried.

[likuei]

Between the "stay in the back and buff/heal" to the same situation that you just had, I deleted (not TR'd) 3 of my 5 clerics ... and my other two will not play with 99% of the population. They wait for long periods of time to get help from us, but the "me, Me, ME" people just don't get it ... take care of us and we will be more than happy to help.

I know someone is going to come on and say ... "If you don't like to heal, then cleric/FvS" is not for you. Wrong! Be less of a jerk and I wouldn't care. I do not let people in the real world walk all over me, it's not going to happen in game either.

[cwfergtx]

The Cleric and Favored Soul are the two most needed classes for most parties when starting out and at the end game. They are not shown the respect that they kept the party alive at the cost of their own expense. Before the crafting in House K started I would farm the Desert to fund my clerics by selling the rare items. Then passed out the rest of the stuff to Clerics and Favored Souls. This would include +1 Tomes and lesser Rare Named Items. I could of sold all the loot for about 19k+ each run but helping some of the lower clerics and favored souls help keep some around. The same with collectibles I would turn them in house P and take the wands to Korthos and the Harbor to pass out. But alot of people are just plain uninformed and sometime even uncaring about other players.

[pseudomasochist]

It's difficult to tell when grouping with strangers who is adding their stable of capped characters and who is just starting out in the game, especially at lower levels. Unfortunately, the newer people who need loot for money are also the ones who may not realize how expensive playing a healer can be.

I like how some raiding guilds want everyone to have at least one healing character. That makes filling parties easier and playing the role of raid/epic healer also provides valuable perspective.

[Uchuujin-San]

personally i set myself a cap on consumables for pugs. 1 pot and 2 stacks of heal + MCMW scrolls (on a capped toon) after that i'm OOM. If 2700sp + bauble + blasphemy + 10% discount from abbot staff and the scrolls isn't enough for a normal difficulty raid. Then it was most likely doomed to begin with. As much as i like powering through and carrying the raid by chugging pots like Guinness, rarely do i see those pots returned when i pug... sooner or later it'll just leave a bitter taste in your mouth and a big hole in your pocket.

So my advice is start early.. set yourself a limit.. especially if you dont have higher lever sugar-daddy toons. 1 pot.. 2 wands.. after that.. its out of your hands..

[wax_on_wax_off]

I think I would be a little more assertive in such a situation. Solo healing an at level raid, particularly chronoscope where you are severely lacking on class abilities (mass cures, raise dead etc) it is quite a difficult task and you did a great job solo healing it.

I would pretty much demand those cure wands to replenish the ones you just used or refuse to use any expendables for the rest of the quest if they don't.

Fact is, you can't complain about people never learning if you don't teach them.

[LordKhaan]

Running 2 battle clerics at the moment and I have very little problem unless there are noobs in the group. Even solo healed a few raids...
IE, casters that dont cast hold but instead feel they should just nuke, melee with NO AC/DR, or that typical barb that runs ahead.

Ive also started setting limits on what Ill use in pugs thanks to certain people DEMANDING you chug a pot or 20.
My common responce to that these days "U have healing pots, chug those" I think in the times that its taken me to get Landrah to cap (3rd life TR) ive been offered 2 pots, and both were from guildies. However going through sins, gen point etc, ur just expected to always have a full sp bar.
Needless to say, pugging has made me a big fan of my recall button.

[whitehawk74]

let them die. it's the only cure for these type of conditions.
they will learn soon enough - or not

no matter what they scream just dont take it personally.
your blue bar is not an extension of their red bars.
Health pots can be bought for gold coins, Mana pots can be bought for TP's. They have no reason to not have stocked up.

[wemery73]

Easy just don't heal the ones that won't give you the cure wands and where going to sell them..

Take there soul stones and drop them in the deepest sewer you can find...

[Beld]

If they refuse, stop using all resources, when OOM, then you are OOM, if the raid wipes and you get any complaints, ask them how many wands they still have in inventory that they can't use and how much better passing those along would have made the raid experience for them/the group.

After the first failure to pass a resource that you were clearing burning thru, a decent leader would have pointed out that A) you were nice enough to be solo healing the raid to get a completion for everyone and B) without resources, the raid was doomed to failure and C) if people didn't want to pass the wands then the group would leave their stones wherever they fell and move on.

[AtomicMew]

The solution is to not do at level chrono. Seriously. I'm passing on this bit of wisdom to you through personal experience.

It is terrible exp and the loot you should out-level a few days after you get it. It is basically only run by people people who are new-ish to the game and very, very rarely by vets looking to mess around a little. For that reason, any at level chrono group you join is almost guaranteed to be terrible.

Get to level 20 and start doing epic chrono. It will probably even be less resource intensive than at level.

[wootvenu]

The solution is to not do at level chrono. Seriously. I'm passing on this bit of wisdom to you through personal experience.

It is terrible exp and the loot you should out-level a few days after you get it. It is basically only run by people people who are new-ish to the game and very, very rarely by vets looking to mess around a little. For that reason, any at level chrono group you join is almost guaranteed to be terrible.

Get to level 20 and start doing epic chrono. It will probably even be less resource intensive than at level.

If you want to have loads of fun, try chrono at lvl!

Topic:It is sad to see group doesnt recognize the need and donot respect the healer. Healers need love

[Franke]

The solution is to not do at level chrono. Seriously. I'm passing on this bit of wisdom to you through personal experience.

It is terrible exp and the loot you should out-level a few days after you get it. It is basically only run by people people who are new-ish to the game and very, very rarely by vets looking to mess around a little. For that reason, any at level chrono group you join is almost guaranteed to be terrible.

Get to level 20 and start doing epic chrono. It will probably even be less resource intensive than at level.

I see where you're coming from but you're missing the point here. An at level solo heal of this raid with limited resources=great job OP..kudos to you as it's an accomplishment.
Sadly you'll encounter more of this attitude,but it tends to tail off as you get past level 10 or so.At that point most players have a slightly better grasp of the game,and are more likely to realise the costs of running a healer. But even to cap and beyond don't expect pots to be handed over,it's as rare an event as a solar eclipse in my experience.

[MeliCat]

I see where you're coming from but you're missing the point here. An at level solo heal of this raid with limited resources=great job OP..kudos to you as it's an accomplishment.
Sadly you'll encounter more of this attitude,but it tends to tail off as you get past level 10 or so.At that point most players have a slightly better grasp of the game,and are more likely to realise the costs of running a healer. But even to cap and beyond don't expect pots to be handed over,it's as rare an event as a solar eclipse in my experience.

Yes but at least at cap you can *fund* yourself. A new player at level 7 and it's *horribly* ex*****ve relatively. By end game you can wear the costs of failed raids etc not too badly.

I ran a cleric up to 20 knowing no one on Thelanis. At least having played a while I knew how to get by and survive on the paltry little I had. But I recommend that experience to people who haven't been a newbie for a while remembering that there is a bunch of plat generating activities that you know that a new player doesn't.

[Franke]

Yes but at least at cap you can *fund* yourself. A new player at level 7 and it's *horribly* ex*****ve relatively. By end game you can wear the costs of failed raids etc not too badly.

I ran a cleric up to 20 knowing no one on Thelanis. At least having played a while I knew how to get by and survive on the paltry little I had. But I recommend that experience to people who haven't been a newbie for a while remembering that there is a bunch of plat generating activities that you know that a new player doesn't.

With all due respects, the OPs thread is merely drawing attention to the fact that he had a poor group experience in Chrono.He asks if it was particularly rude of the group or to be expected. It's not about how you have capped a cleric and can now fund yourself.

[MeliCat]

With all due respects, the OPs thread is merely drawing attention to the fact that he had a poor group experience in Chrono.He asks if it was particularly rude of the group or to be expected. It's not about how you have capped a cleric and can now fund yourself.

My point is that money is worth more when you are new.

Therefore the resources both for the OP and for what sounds like a lot of the party members have a LOT more value.

Therefore negotiation of those resources, including the OPs sp, should have more weight.

But, being newer players it may not happen. Hence forum discussion. But hey if you feel that anything I have to contribute is not worth your reading time it's not hard to skip over my name.

[Schmoe]

The solution is to not do at level chrono. Seriously. I'm passing on this bit of wisdom to you through personal experience.

It is terrible exp and the loot you should out-level a few days after you get it. It is basically only run by people people who are new-ish to the game and very, very rarely by vets looking to mess around a little. For that reason, any at level chrono group you join is almost guaranteed to be terrible.

Get to level 20 and start doing epic chrono. It will probably even be less resource intensive than at level.

I completely disagree with this advice. At-level, the Chronoscope is a lot of fun, a good challenge, and the loot is awesome. If you like to power-level and blow through a TR in a week, sure, there's no point. But if that's not your style, it's well worth it.

[AidanRyuko]

"feel free to sell those wands to cover your repaircosts then"