That's pretty much all bards just using melee feats. War chanter has better melee songs, and spellsinger has more SP and song buffs for casters a war chanter doesn't have. Virt doesn't sound like what you want because the main draw is better song CC.Originally Posted by knightmarh
War chanter would suit a buff and swing approach.
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08-06-2011, 11:06 PM #21Hero
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zonbLF-NMZg Originally Posted by Turbine
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08-06-2011, 11:51 PM #22Community Member
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ok, warchanter looking better?
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male (20 Bard) Hit Points: 262 Spell Points: 1105 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 9 Reflex: 12 Will: 12 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 18 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 18 30 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance -1 0 Bluff 4 10 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy 4 10 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 4 10 Heal -1 0 Hide -1 0 Intimidate 4 14 Jump 3 4 Listen -1 0 Move Silently -1 0 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot -1 0 Swim 3 4 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Level 2 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Level 4 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Level 5 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Level 7 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Level 8 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Level 10 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Level 11 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Level 13 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III Level 14 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV Level 16 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV Level 17 (Bard) Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV Level 19 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Charisma II Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
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08-07-2011, 12:29 AM #23Community Member
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No point to the mental toughnesses (on any build really, but especially a warchanter) or the high charisma. Originally Posted by knightmarh
Str: 18 + level ups
Con: 16
Cha: 14
1) toughness
1) extend
3) weapon focus
6) power attack
9) THF
12) improve crit
15) ITHF
18) GTHF
Though this lacks a healing option. You could swith your THF feats out, learn to 'twitch' and pick up maximise, quicken and one other feat, so that you are a good healer, as well as buffer, and melee.Server: Thelanis
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08-07-2011, 12:30 AM #24Community Member
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I have been a fan of melee spellsingers for newly geared players. Your charisma is lower for melee stats like strength, but umd +4 bonus from spellsinger prestige makes a big difference if you can get it early.
After you get your +6 charisma skill green steel item, it isn't as necessary, but that is a long road for a new player, especially since bards need hitpoints and should probably make their hp shroud accessory first...The Silver Legion - Guild Medieval
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08-07-2011, 12:47 AM #25Community Member
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This has to be it, dropping healing bonus for str
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male (20 Bard) Hit Points: 252 Spell Points: 779 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 9 Reflex: 12 Will: 12 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 26 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 16 22 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 23 Bluff 3 6 Concentration 6 26 Diplomacy 3 6 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 7 29 Heal -1 0 Hide -1 0 Intimidate 3 10 Jump 7 31 Listen -1 0 Move Silently -1 10 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform 7 29 Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot -1 0 Swim 4 8 Tumble 0 2 Use Magic Device 7 29 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Bard) Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Bard) Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 7 (Bard) Level 8 (Bard) Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Bard) Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Bard) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Enhancement: Falchion Training Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Enhancement: Bard Charisma II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
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08-07-2011, 11:08 AM #26Build Constructionist
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You don't need so much CHA on a melee bard; extra HPs or bumping up DEX and switching to TWF is more useful, IMHO.
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08-07-2011, 06:12 PM #27Hero
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Better. Originally Posted by knightmarh
I would still swap CON and CHA. As others have mentioned it's not doing much for you.
Energy of the music is not worth the points except maybe the first and second tier if you have left over points.
Extra song IV is only really needed if you plan on doing a lot of fascinating and want MotD/MotM.
Drop Bard CHA II and only take Bard CHA I if you are on an odd stat. This opens up AP for a human CON enhancement and more toughness enhancements.
If scroll healing is the plan you can and should make room for Wand and Scroll Mastery IV.
What I am really seeing is an attempt to get higher CHA, more SP, and more songs when what you get for the cost on such a build doesn't do much for you.
Another possible thought is to skip human, give up extend, and do the rest of the feats on a half orc, opening up some more THF enhancements.
Hope that helps.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zonbLF-NMZg Originally Posted by Turbine
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08-08-2011, 05:07 PM #28Community Member
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ok, dropped some useless enh and swapped con and cha.
Best? or still improvements?
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male (20 Bard) Hit Points: 282 Spell Points: 701 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 12 Will: 12 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 26 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 14 18 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 23 Bluff 2 4 Concentration 7 27 Diplomacy 2 4 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 6 27 Heal -1 0 Hide -1 0 Intimidate 2 8 Jump 7 31 Listen -1 0 Move Silently -1 10 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform 6 27 Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot -1 0 Swim 4 8 Tumble 0 2 Use Magic Device 6 27 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Level 2 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Level 4 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II Level 5 (Bard) Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Level 7 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 8 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Level 10 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Level 11 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Level 13 (Bard) Enhancement: Falchion Training Level 14 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV Level 16 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV Level 17 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV Level 19 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy Enhancement: Bard Wand Heightening I
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08-08-2011, 06:20 PM #29Community Member
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The feat selection is like the Classic Rocker template. Personally my Horc Classic Rocker is my favorite (though I love my virtuoso as well). I'd say you can't go wrong with the classic rocker. Originally Posted by knightmarh
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08-10-2011, 08:30 AM #30Community Member
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Classic rocker rocks
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