Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page delacadena Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male (20 Rogue) Hit Points: 266 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 8 Reflex: 18 Will: 5 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 10 10 Dexterity 18 22 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 16 23 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 10 10 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 8 30 Bluff 0 20 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy 0 1 Disable Device 7 30 Haggle 4 18 Heal -1 0 Hide 8 38 Intimidate 0 1 Jump 4 11 Listen -1 24 Move Silently 8 38 Open Lock 8 30 Perform n/a n/a Repair 3 7 Search 7 32 Spot 3 28 Swim 0 3 Tumble 8 30 Use Magic Device 4 24 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Improved Hide I Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Improved Hide II Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Swim (+2) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+3) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II Enhancement: Improved Spot I Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+3) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+3) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+3) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Listen (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow Enhancement: Improved Spot II Enhancement: Improved Spot III
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Thread: Rouge assassin
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08-05-2011, 05:00 PM #1Community Member
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Rouge assassin
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08-05-2011, 05:02 PM #2Community Member
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How do you assassinate with cosmetics? Or is it the cosmetics that you assassinate?
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08-05-2011, 05:06 PM #3Community Member
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Or he could mean "Red Assassin."
No, I don't really believe that.
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08-05-2011, 05:09 PM #4Community Member
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Oh, good call.
Originally Posted by NeutronStar
So I'll get back on point.
k, another finesse based TWF Assassin.
Dex 18
Int 16 + 5 Levelups.
This confuses me a little bit.
I'ma play with the character planning for a moment, but it seems like you could go Dex 17 Base +1 Levelup, Int 17 Base +4 Levelups, achieve the same "end" values, and also have an extra build point or two to distribute elsewhere.
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08-05-2011, 05:25 PM #5Community Member
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Not much use in making a finesse rogue with no levelups in dex. Maybe go halfling over drow so you don't waste points in cha and so your DPS doesn't suck worse than it already does. Originally Posted by kevincaptainawesome
Try this:
Str 12
Dex 15
Con 15
Int 17 +5 levelups
Wis 8
Cha 8
Feats:
1: Toughness
3: EWP: Khopesh/Insightful Reflexes
6: TWF
9: ITWF
12: Improved Critical Slash
15: GTWF
18: Power Attack
Check out this thread for a discussion on assassination-based rogues.Last edited by TheDjinnFor; 08-05-2011 at 05:28 PM.
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08-05-2011, 05:29 PM #6Community Member
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Dropping 1 dex gives him two points, and upping 1 int costs him two points. Or no? He's drow. Originally Posted by TheDearLeader
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08-05-2011, 05:29 PM #7Founder & Build Synthesis
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While this build is doable, you will find it frustrating. The biggest reason is because you will not do a great amount of damage vs bosses. You made up for the con with x3 Toughness feats. Not having Power Attack wont break this build, but for me not having Improved Crit is a deal breaker. Why Drow? They are such a melee starved race. Your Assassinate will be nice in Epic fights, but again youll be frustrated because the party isnt going to slow down and stop killing stuff so you can. I would change to Dwarf and change to Str build Assassin and have more fun.
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08-05-2011, 05:44 PM #8Community Member
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Yeah, it does still take two points. Dang. I popped it into the planner, really no benefit to swapping things around. Originally Posted by TheDjinnFor
Still think it's a little weird to put all 5 levelups into int. High Int is nice, sure, but that Dex on a Finesse Build is ensuring your To-Hit.
And yeah... 3/7 Feats Spent on Toughness? Ouch.
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08-05-2011, 05:55 PM #9Community Member
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Scarlet Assassin has a nice ring Originally Posted by NeutronStar
Or he could mean "Red Assassin."
No, I don't really believe that.
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08-05-2011, 06:01 PM #10Community Member
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Hmm you mean a general PUG will not slow down. But if he joins a static guild and they all work together as a group and learn each others skills and work together then it is viable. In the end your play style has to fit the group that you want to play with. Originally Posted by Battlehawke
To often I read posts that tell people this needs to be nerfed or that. It ends up always being play style. A single person wants the entire game changed to fit his play style rather than change his play style. Even if all it means is find a different group to quest with. But no, So and so wants to do it his way and the problem then becomes the game and not him and so the game needs to change. It gets so old.
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08-05-2011, 06:06 PM #11The Hatchery
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Originally Posted by kevincaptainawesome
.. Originally Posted by Jayne Cobb
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08-05-2011, 06:08 PM #12Community Member
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I will say my Int Build Assassin is 34pt Helf w/ftr dilly to slide into scimmy when not using Midnight Greeting. I am to lazy to MT scimmy all the time.
16/15/14/16/8/8
+4 str lvl ups +1 int lvl up
ftr str+1 human adapt +1 str/Int
feats TwF*3, IC: slash, Toughness, PA, & Rog:APL
eat +2 tomes all stats @7
Nets a 43 DC and not a total gimp str.
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08-06-2011, 12:31 AM #13Community Member
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Rouge assassin? Sounds super sexy!
Or do you mean someone that doesn't know how to apply rouge properly? Because you know, poorly applied rouge can just ruin an otherwise lovely character.
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08-07-2011, 03:40 AM #14Community Member
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i made rogue similar to this. DEX/INT build. hopeless **** till u get assassin enhancement. and even then, u get ur assassinate kill, stealth off, ur screwed. no hp, low dps, gotta TR if i ever make it to lv 20.(TR'ed into this build, so rerolling not option sadly) overall, unless u have group thatll carry u to lv 6, will let u scout/assassinate, and patiently rez u everytime they need u to scout or disarm/unlock something, dont make this build. if u do have all ur points in DEX/INT may as well go mechanic. that way u become highly desired commodity
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08-07-2011, 03:46 AM #15Community Member
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I read this off to someone in my guild. They said : Originally Posted by Luthe111
"Brutal honesty. Exactly what is needed."
I feel I cannot say it better.
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08-07-2011, 11:20 AM #16Build Constructionist
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And now for an alternative
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female (20 Rogue) Hit Points: 222 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 8 Reflex: 20 Will: 5 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 14 Dexterity 18 26 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 10 10 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Level 5 (Rogue) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist Level 11 (Rogue) Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 14 (Rogue) Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 19 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Improved Hide I Enhancement: Improved Hide II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
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08-09-2011, 01:18 AM #17Community Member
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i feel this newer build design may have a few problems in the sense that the INT may be too low to fully take advantage of the skills u gain by becoming an assassin. trap disabling skills may also be partially stunted. the DEX would allow for high stealth, decent hit chance, and even that will prove useful to many of the sneak attack damage bonuses an assassin receives, but one of the main core abilities of the assassin: assassinate, wouldnt quite have the necessary DC to truly be effective. the crit rate and at lv 18 the vorpal kill effect admittedly though may work quite nicely Originally Posted by unbongwah
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08-09-2011, 10:36 AM #18Build Constructionist
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Trap skills have a lot more to do with gear & buffs than base INT; a HO rogue with INT 6 can still do well with traps. The lower Assassinate DC is unfortunate, but it's not enough of a priority to be worth sacrificing other areas, IMHO. Originally Posted by Luthe111
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the low assassinate DC is unfortunate, and that being the case, y even make an assassin? low assassinate DC is more or less dumping one of the prestige line's main skills. also the only area u really put anything into is DEX, and in this case thats only good for hit chance, reflex, and sneaking/hiding. it would seem the ability this build would rely on for kills, would be the lv 18 vorpal, and being as how its lv 18, doesnt really help lvs 1-17. ive found a major issue to planning a build is that while it would work at lv 20, without seeing how it would function at each lv till then it may not work in those cases. in case of the original build i commented on, it looks great at lv 20 on paper, however the playability while getting there is notably lacking Originally Posted by unbongwah
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08-10-2011, 01:02 AM #20Founder & Build Synthesis
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Quick thoughts:
1) Toons with a splash of just one lvl of rogue do epic traps, Your Int is more than enough in the 2nd. Build
2) You go Assassin for the Extra Damage that you do with every SA. It will give you the highest DPS vs trash mobs.
3) You are clearly stuck on a finesse build. This is a doable build, but I would change Dex to 15 and put the leftover points into Str, and get rid of finesse, you'll find it funner in the end.The Best Server: Gallhanda
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