Time to have some fun.

[Beer_Dude]

Everytime I see some LFM with strict requirements for a walk in the park quest IE. Need DPS but the only classes they will take is Ftr Barb, or TR/Vets only or, Link weapons, etc. If I'm not grouped, and I have a toon in that level. I'm going to pop up an LFM for the exact quest at the exact same level saying "NO need for TR's or vets (etc.) I'll take the 1st 6/12 for quest XYZ it isn't that hard.

I saw a run tonight for Ritual Sacrifice level 16-18 TR's & vets only w/ the only melee class allowed Ftr or Barb.

My LFM. Rit Sac fast run newbies welcome Not hard we'll b done before they fill. 2 Pallys and the rest were wizzies joined.

We were done before they filled.

These LFMs are getting stupid. So if you want to have some fun with the noobs. Everytime you're doing nothing and a ******** LFM goes up. Put up an LFM for the same quest with no restrictions with a statement stating how the other LFM is. IE., if he was really a vet he wouldn't need vets to carry him thru it's an easy quest. Then blow thru it. You'll make a newbie happy and have some enjoyment at the same time.

[Kelavam]

I do not disagree that there are tons and tons of [bad] LFMs out there. I do not disagree with posting your own LFM for the same quest.

I think the only thing I would not do is call out the other group. I might disagree with them and dislike the way they post the LFM, but I doubt they see it half the time and calling them stupid is not going to teach them anything, it is going to cause hard feelings and make them less likely to open themselves up to learn and just make them spiteful.

Why not ask them to join you and see how it's done? Show them, instead of berating them, that things can be done outside the "boxed" way of thinking.

[flynnjsw]

Why not ask them to join you and see how it's done? Show them, instead of berating them, that things can be done outside the "boxed" way of thinking.

Research is your friend...just sayin

[Kelavam]

Research is your friend...just sayin

I wish I knew how you meant this, positive or negative. There are people that think things HAVE to be a certain way. And some people are truly noobs. But you cannot say all are that way by first impression. You have no idea who you are dealing with until they prove themselves.

What research did I miss?

[Narmolanya]

This whole TR/Vet thing is a sure sign of noobness in my opinion. Like tonight a level 12 wizard has a LFM up VON 3 normal level range 9-12 TR only. Really, I never knew it was such a hard quest that you needed to be so over level and be a TR at the same time to finish it. Its even worse he was an arcane whom can totaly dominate that quest solo at that level very quickly.

Personaly I will Never join one of those groups. I just don't trust the leader has the slightest clue what is going on, nor is it likely that leader will listen to any views than thier own. That equates to a bigger chance of -10% xp than a regular group. Being a TR does not make a good player at all. I have seen so many times with my own eyes.

[ulticleo]

There was a time...

when we wiped in von3 with a group of lvl 12s
when we failed in xorian cypher at lvl 9
when I died just running through the xorian cypher pre-quest
when we wiped at that first red-named rare spider in WW elite
when we kept falling to the bottom level in coal chamber
when we made it to part 5 shroud with no hiccups and bugged harry, and got the snot kicked out of us.
... when we didn't know the game as well as we do now.

you don't like the LFM? fine. don't join. no need to make fun of anyone. they may be newbs, they be noobs. either way, they don't play your style, and you don't have to join.

there was a time when I found this game hard. I stepped solo into kobold assault with my dragon marked halfling THF fighter and got my butt handed to me. I wiped or struggled in many quests, some at well over level. I consider myself lucky to have joined the game shortly before it went f2p. I had the luxury of grouping with other new players and exploring dungeons at our own pace. 3 hour pit run my first time. 40 min stormcleave just to wipe at end by an invincible boss we could hurt. 45 min in tear of dhakan only to die in the room of endless spawns by the waterfall.

Let them have their fun. let them run with like minded players. don't join if you don't fill the criteria in the lfm (group players only, know your role, all optionals, etc). But no need to harass or make fun of them. If you don't feel like teaching or advising, stay out of their way.

I don't hand out positive OR negative rep, but I think you deserve some of the latter...

[flynnjsw]

1.There was a time...

2.If you don't feel like teaching or advising, stay out of their way.

3.I don't hand out positive OR negative rep, but I think you deserve some of the latter...

1 and 2. See my post above. Research is your friend...just sayin

3. LOLWUT

[DragonKiller]

It seems to me that many people who consider themselves "Vets" are still dripping behind the ears.

Besides, everyone has to learn a quest some how... if these "Vets" don't teach the new people, then they will never learn the right way. Heck, they might even be able to learn the right way in a back pack :-)

[Beer_Dude]

It seems to me that many people who consider themselves "Vets" are still dripping behind the ears.

Besides, everyone has to learn a quest some how... if these "Vets" don't teach the new people, then they will never learn the right way. Heck, they might even be able to learn the right way in a back pack :-)

Love the backpack idea +1

[Hordo]

Love the backpack idea +1

Hey...that spot is reserved!

[MogeeMaleeg]

When I am xp zerging my 4th life tr I tend to like to run with people that have the same goal. If I have a party of tr's that are all about xp/min I really don't want to take the time to explain a quest. On the other hand if I am just logging in to casually play and have a good time with a favorite raid or quest, then my group composition really isn't that big of a concern. Often times I like to take the first 5 that hit and roll with whatever classes happen to be there. I think it really is up to the person forming the group to decide how he wants his group to be ran.

[Beer_Dude]

When I am xp zerging my 4th life tr I tend to like to run with people that have the same goal. If I have a party of tr's that are all about xp/min I really don't want to take the time to explain a quest. On the other hand if I am just logging in to casually play and have a good time with a favorite raid or quest, then my group composition really isn't that big of a concern. Often times I like to take the first 5 that hit and roll with whatever classes happen to be there. I think it really is up to the person forming the group to decide how he wants his group to be ran.

I see plenty of lfms that say speed runs for max xp/min. No issues whatsoever. Have at it. I get in those moods too. That's way different than saying vets only. One states I'm too good for you stay away or it states I can't get this done without prine people with prime gear. The other says this is all about xp/min and I'm In a rush. One works one states noobness. Again. Not all who post it are nooks but those of us that have been here a bit know who the vets are and aren't.

[Attropos]

I see plenty of lfms that say speed runs for max xp/min. No issues whatsoever. Have at it. I get in those moods too. That's way different than saying vets only. One states I'm too good for you stay away or it states I can't get this done without prine people with prime gear. The other says this is all about xp/min and I'm In a rush. One works one states noobness. Again. Not all who post it are nooks but those of us that have been here a bit know who the vets are and aren't.

Maybe it's a misinterpretation of LFMs. When I see something that says Vets/TRs only, it's generally either preceeded or followed by Xp Sack run x/x. I immediately think "Fast xp runs, business".

Also, I think it depends on your interpretation of vets. If you mean pre-F2P as vets, maybe I can see where yo uare coming from. I think it's becoming more commonplace to refer to anyone who has been playing enough to know all the quests and the nooks and turns of characters, regardless of whether they came in at the start of F2P or if they have been here for 5 years. I know people who have been here from 2006 who are terrible at this game. There is a certain cap to skill, and I think that quite a few F2Pers have reached it.

[Mts]

Didn't really read the whole thread.. With that said:

When I'm pwr leveling I've always had decent luck using my usual LFM post: (QUEST norm x8, Be self sufficient, IP)

Usually only the folks that are down with speed runs are the ones that join, and there are usually some guildies/buddies online with lowbies at lvl anyway.

If someone winds up joining that I don't know, they'll get my speil on following directions, self healing and that I'll drop them if they're continually costing me 10%.

I've never really had a problem running my lvling groups that way.


Raids are another matter.

A teaching raid I'll take the first 12 that are cool w/ a slow run, though to be honest I only do those occasionally.

For a normal channels filled run we may have a spot or two to fill via LFM and I'll take the first couple that apply. They're pretty much along for the ride anyway.

For a pug raid, guildies/friends get the preference and I'll send tells to the folks waiting in the queue letting them know that I'm getting those folks in first and may have a spot for them. 99 times out of 100 they are totally cool with it and no issues arise. Once all the regulars are in, the order in which pugs applied gets preference. Those lfm's will have a 'some saved' at the end of the description.


RE the vets/tr's text in the lfm, most of those folks are tools. There are a few great players that use that nomenclature, but we all know who they are and pay attention to the toon name and not the lfm text anyways.


Cliff notes edition:

Be straight up in your LFM's and learn to read the signs of others. Once expectations are set appropriately on both sides of the table, the meal goes down so much more smoothly.

[Maugrim101]

Didn't really read the whole thread.. With that said:

When I'm pwr leveling I've always had decent luck using my usual LFM post: (QUEST norm x8, Be self sufficient, IP)

Usually only the folks that are down with speed runs are the ones that join, and there are usually some guildies/buddies online with lowbies at lvl anyway.

If someone winds up joining that I don't know, they'll get my speil on following directions, self healing and that I'll drop them if they're continually costing me 10%.

I've never really had a problem running my lvling groups that way.


Raids are another matter.

A teaching raid I'll take the first 12 that are cool w/ a slow run, though to be honest I only do those occasionally.

For a normal channels filled run we may have a spot or two to fill via LFM and I'll take the first couple that apply. They're pretty much along for the ride anyway.

For a pug raid, guildies/friends get the preference and I'll send tells to the folks waiting in the queue letting them know that I'm getting those folks in first and may have a spot for them. 99 times out of 100 they are totally cool with it and no issues arise. Once all the regulars are in, the order in which pugs applied gets preference. Those lfm's will have a 'some saved' at the end of the description.


RE the vets/tr's text in the lfm, most of those folks are tools. There are a few great players that use that nomenclature, but we all know who they are and pay attention to the toon name and not the lfm text anyways.


Cliff notes edition:

Be straight up in your LFM's and learn to read the signs of others. Once expectations are set appropriately on both sides of the table, the meal goes down so much more smoothly.

Pretty much agree with all of that, especially the last part. IF LFM maker is straight up and the people who apply are happy with those conditions (If any exist), there should be no problem really (Other than the odd lava diving incident which happens now and then hehe)

[Attropos]

Didn't really read the whole thread.. With that said:

When I'm pwr leveling I've always had decent luck using my usual LFM post: (QUEST norm x8, Be self sufficient, IP)

Usually only the folks that are down with speed runs are the ones that join, and there are usually some guildies/buddies online with lowbies at lvl anyway.

If someone winds up joining that I don't know, they'll get my speil on following directions, self healing and that I'll drop them if they're continually costing me 10%.

I've never really had a problem running my lvling groups that way.


Raids are another matter.

A teaching raid I'll take the first 12 that are cool w/ a slow run, though to be honest I only do those occasionally.

For a normal channels filled run we may have a spot or two to fill via LFM and I'll take the first couple that apply. They're pretty much along for the ride anyway.

For a pug raid, guildies/friends get the preference and I'll send tells to the folks waiting in the queue letting them know that I'm getting those folks in first and may have a spot for them. 99 times out of 100 they are totally cool with it and no issues arise. Once all the regulars are in, the order in which pugs applied gets preference. Those lfm's will have a 'some saved' at the end of the description.


RE the vets/tr's text in the lfm, most of those folks are tools. There are a few great players that use that nomenclature, but we all know who they are and pay attention to the toon name and not the lfm text anyways.


Cliff notes edition:

Be straight up in your LFM's and learn to read the signs of others. Once expectations are set appropriately on both sides of the table, the meal goes down so much more smoothly.

Oops, for some reason I thought that you were one of the people that used Vets/Trs. -sheepish grin- I should just go edit my original post.

[Mts]

Oops, for some reason I thought that you were one of the people that used Vets/Trs. -sheepish grin- I should just go edit my original post.

lol You are definitely one of the few in the 2nd group of people who put vets/tr's into their lfms.

Really, you could insult my mother in your lfm and I'd still click join, send you a tell letting you know about the dirty things I did to your sister and head to the ship for buffs.

I pretty much see the name, see the lvl, stop reading and hit join.

[taurean430]

The issue appears to be that there has since I started playing and will continue to be there is that there are players who adapt language they believe vets to use. In some cases they are spot on, and I have joined a run on occasion when TR'ing to learn that no one in party knows the quest, has any minimum gear, or understanding of game mechanics. It seems that by putting up repeated lfm's of this type one will attract more capable or knowledgeable players. Personally, I feel it's inconsiderate and disingenuous to do so. But, that's just me...

And as the more experienced and capable players on the server continue to TR, their lfm language will be duplicated by others. I've looked at it as more of a 'saying of the month' kind of thing, as it's changed fairly often. Know the quest/be self sufficient/fast runs/xp farming/vets and tr's only/etc... they make the rounds. Other's see that these lfm's fill pretty quickly and try to emulate that.

What frustrates me personally is joining a run described in this manner and finding out that I am expected to carry 5 others through the quest with frequent rescues. Beerman and others do rather well with teaching the ins and outs of any given quest. I have to be in the mood for it myself. I joined to zerg and xp farm on my tr. I will intentionally join different speeds and types of runs to meet new players and provide a helpful influence.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You sir, are a man after my own heart. (and apparently, Ive given you rep recently....hmmm.)

[KajaGrae]

LOL! I'll just keep pikin off your groups, and joining those groups that say Vet/TR only anyway and nub healin my way through them. They always take a healer, and I haven't had any complaints yet (eventhough I die alot in adventure zones cause I have NO clue where to go in most still lol. GO GO 20 mob aggro!). Cept this one guy who declined me and called me a noob for not having a heavy fort item at the time... :-( I'm not perfect geared, i r newblet.