Time to have some fun.

[Beer_Dude]

Everytime I see some LFM with strict requirements for a walk in the park quest IE. Need DPS but the only classes they will take is Ftr Barb, or TR/Vets only or, Link weapons, etc. If I'm not grouped, and I have a toon in that level. I'm going to pop up an LFM for the exact quest at the exact same level saying "NO need for TR's or vets (etc.) I'll take the 1st 6/12 for quest XYZ it isn't that hard.

I saw a run tonight for Ritual Sacrifice level 16-18 TR's & vets only w/ the only melee class allowed Ftr or Barb.

My LFM. Rit Sac fast run newbies welcome Not hard we'll b done before they fill. 2 Pallys and the rest were wizzies joined.

We were done before they filled.

These LFMs are getting stupid. So if you want to have some fun with the noobs. Everytime you're doing nothing and a ******** LFM goes up. Put up an LFM for the same quest with no restrictions with a statement stating how the other LFM is. IE., if he was really a vet he wouldn't need vets to carry him thru it's an easy quest. Then blow thru it. You'll make a newbie happy and have some enjoyment at the same time.

[Kelavam]

I do not disagree that there are tons and tons of [bad] LFMs out there. I do not disagree with posting your own LFM for the same quest.

I think the only thing I would not do is call out the other group. I might disagree with them and dislike the way they post the LFM, but I doubt they see it half the time and calling them stupid is not going to teach them anything, it is going to cause hard feelings and make them less likely to open themselves up to learn and just make them spiteful.

Why not ask them to join you and see how it's done? Show them, instead of berating them, that things can be done outside the "boxed" way of thinking.

[Narmolanya]

This whole TR/Vet thing is a sure sign of noobness in my opinion. Like tonight a level 12 wizard has a LFM up VON 3 normal level range 9-12 TR only. Really, I never knew it was such a hard quest that you needed to be so over level and be a TR at the same time to finish it. Its even worse he was an arcane whom can totaly dominate that quest solo at that level very quickly.

Personaly I will Never join one of those groups. I just don't trust the leader has the slightest clue what is going on, nor is it likely that leader will listen to any views than thier own. That equates to a bigger chance of -10% xp than a regular group. Being a TR does not make a good player at all. I have seen so many times with my own eyes.

[ulticleo]

There was a time...

when we wiped in von3 with a group of lvl 12s
when we failed in xorian cypher at lvl 9
when I died just running through the xorian cypher pre-quest
when we wiped at that first red-named rare spider in WW elite
when we kept falling to the bottom level in coal chamber
when we made it to part 5 shroud with no hiccups and bugged harry, and got the snot kicked out of us.
... when we didn't know the game as well as we do now.

you don't like the LFM? fine. don't join. no need to make fun of anyone. they may be newbs, they be noobs. either way, they don't play your style, and you don't have to join.

there was a time when I found this game hard. I stepped solo into kobold assault with my dragon marked halfling THF fighter and got my butt handed to me. I wiped or struggled in many quests, some at well over level. I consider myself lucky to have joined the game shortly before it went f2p. I had the luxury of grouping with other new players and exploring dungeons at our own pace. 3 hour pit run my first time. 40 min stormcleave just to wipe at end by an invincible boss we could hurt. 45 min in tear of dhakan only to die in the room of endless spawns by the waterfall.

Let them have their fun. let them run with like minded players. don't join if you don't fill the criteria in the lfm (group players only, know your role, all optionals, etc). But no need to harass or make fun of them. If you don't feel like teaching or advising, stay out of their way.

I don't hand out positive OR negative rep, but I think you deserve some of the latter...

[Scortius]

We got two newbs through Rainbow the other night- LFM said 'We're taking a first timer through. No griping.'

Filled in 5 mins. Two rogues healed it. Everyone had fun, I think.

Yeah, the new guys died at the 'jump over the spike pit' point, and we broke the clock trap again, but we got through in good order.

[Jay203]

i'm still trying to find a LFM that i can pike in :<
haven't been able to sit back and relax in all my groups so far

[Lewendriel]

It's quite simple actually.

My LFMs basically consists mostly of below
Teamplayers / [class needed if last spot like tank] / [any special message; Rune farm; No dragonkill] / [whatevs]

I dont care if ppl are TR; n00bs or in between. For me it's a game and supposed to be fun. Teamplayers is what I get, when putting that first, cause I want to know the runs and not just have a zerger completing before I even have taken the first step.

I usually avoid those where it says; BYOH, Know it!; Dont die; Dont get lost or whatever ppl put up. I dont whisper them, I dont pay attention to them cause that's their choice. Amazingly enough; as other poster wrote; I usually get filled and the job done before the other LFM does.

The other day I had a LFM for Prey on the hunter up like this
Teamplayers / On casual / Rune guaranteed / No dragon kill

Got a tell, 'ppl usually wanna zerg that!', but here's the thing - I hardly have any trouble getting filled up fast cause ppl wants runes and if you dont zerg there's a better to actually get the rune you want, cause teamplayers also trade and ask and rolls for stuff. Zergers do not.

Be nice and ppl are nice to you!

Regards,
Lew

[stainer]

It's quite simple actually.

My LFMs basically consists mostly of below
Teamplayers / [class needed if last spot like tank] / [any special message; Rune farm; No dragonkill] / [whatevs]

I dont care if ppl are TR; n00bs or in between. For me it's a game and supposed to be fun. Teamplayers is what I get, when putting that first, cause I want to know the runs and not just have a zerger completing before I even have taken the first step.

I usually avoid those where it says; BYOH, Know it!; Dont die; Dont get lost or whatever ppl put up. I dont whisper them, I dont pay attention to them cause that's their choice. Amazingly enough; as other poster wrote; I usually get filled and the job done before the other LFM does.

The other day I had a LFM for Prey on the hunter up like this
Teamplayers / On casual / Rune guaranteed / No dragon kill

Got a tell, 'ppl usually wanna zerg that!', but here's the thing - I hardly have any trouble getting filled up fast cause ppl wants runes and if you dont zerg there's a better to actually get the rune you want, cause teamplayers also trade and ask and rolls for stuff. Zergers do not.

Be nice and ppl are nice to you!

Regards,
Lew

To be truthful, zerging that quest and just running that quest couldn't be that different. It is linear, and really hard to mess up.

[somerecluse]

all my TR lfms say vets, byoheals, and usually only accepting arcanes if i even have an lfm up. most quests i just shortman with friends.

i would never put up an lfm if i had someone playing an arcane in my static group of 3 trs. melee pugs who join lfms often arent worth their weight in scaling. even if they think they fall under the vets/tr category. which is why i limit to only arcanes. thats right i dont even like accepting divines pre blade barrier levels because they are just another melee character (and poor one at that) and no one in my groups should need a nannybot.

[TheDjinnFor]

I suppose its a matter of perspective.

I've wiped far too many (read: more than zero is far too many) epic Devil Assaults for not bothering to screen the divines or arcanes, yet I'm sure some smug jerk out there will pipe "Oh, Epic Devil Assault is SOOO easy!".

Yet I don't recall the last time a Shroud went south and will probably be that smug jerk if I see an lfm up that makes any restrictions. I laugh quietly at myself when I see a Reavers Fate up that's like 18-20 with things like 'no noobs need solver & tank'. VoDs and Hounds running normal get a facepalm from me.

[Inkblack]

I've started posting my LFM's with "<quest name>, new players welcome"

It seems that quests that I advertise like that fill quickly. If a new player does join we explain the quest to him. Sometimes it turns into a flower sniffing run, but I'd rather spend time in quest than waiting for people to join. It's a personal preference though, its not for everyone.

Ink

[Lewendriel]

To be truthful, zerging that quest and just running that quest couldn't be that different. It is linear, and really hard to mess up.

That was just an example and it's not about messing it up, but to get most out of it and the chance of getting the stuff you want from different runs. As in case with PotH; you get a better chance to get the tempest rune needed the more you are, cause you can trade with the others rather than soloing it. That was my point.

But most importantly - be nice and ppl will be nice as well 99.99% of the times

Regards,
Lew

[Beer_Dude]

We got two newbs through Rainbow the other night- LFM said 'We're taking a first timer through. No griping.'

Filled in 5 mins. Two rogues healed it. Everyone had fun, I think.

Yeah, the new guys died at the 'jump over the spike pit' point, and we broke the clock trap again, but we got through in good order.

You want that clock trap to break trust me. There's nothing in those chests worth getting and it doubles the length of time it takes to do the quest. Drop down when the floor breaks run to the ledge. Bow pull the first set of mobs up to the ledge. Kill them bow pull the second set of mobs up to the ledge kill them and the orange named boss. Everyone drops down get the the crest and everyone DDoors out to the start. Way faster than getting the chest and fighting up that hall.

[Attropos]

Everytime I see some LFM with strict requirements for a walk in the park quest IE. Need DPS but the only classes they will take is Ftr Barb, or TR/Vets only or, Link weapons, etc. If I'm not grouped, and I have a toon in that level. I'm going to pop up an LFM for the exact quest at the exact same level saying "NO need for TR's or vets (etc.) I'll take the 1st 6/12 for quest XYZ it isn't that hard.

I saw a run tonight for Ritual Sacrifice level 16-18 TR's & vets only w/ the only melee class allowed Ftr or Barb.

My LFM. Rit Sac fast run newbies welcome Not hard we'll b done before they fill. 2 Pallys and the rest were wizzies joined.

We were done before they filled.

These LFMs are getting stupid. So if you want to have some fun with the noobs. Everytime you're doing nothing and a ******** LFM goes up. Put up an LFM for the same quest with no restrictions with a statement stating how the other LFM is. IE., if he was really a vet he wouldn't need vets to carry him thru it's an easy quest. Then blow thru it. You'll make a newbie happy and have some enjoyment at the same time.

I think you misunderstand the point of Vets/TRs groups... I quite often will put up an LFM that goes something like "XP sack, run x/x, Vets/TRs".

You say you will finish before I fill? Probably, but you never said anything about completing before me. That's because I don't wait for my lfms to fill to start. I'll still complete my quest before you because I put the LFM up, and then I am running out to the quest.

By putting vets/trs into the title, I discourage people who don't know their way to the quest, and know the quest well enough to keep up.

My LFMs are for the community's benefit more than mine. So put up your antagonistic LFM; hopefully it will do its job and keep the noobs out of my LFMs. Just know that you aren't so badass taking the first 6/12 into the quest when many of us would prefer to shortman things.

[Attropos]

I've started posting my LFM's with "<quest name>, new players welcome"

It seems that quests that I advertise like that fill quickly. If a new player does join we explain the quest to him. Sometimes it turns into a flower sniffing run, but I'd rather spend time in quest than waiting for people to join. It's a personal preference though, its not for everyone.

Ink

I'm not sure why people think that groups need to be full before heading into a quest. The majority of Vets/TRs groups that I have joined don't wait for anybody to join. It's a we're doing "x and x quest" if you want some fast xp and can keep up, come join.

[Beer_Dude]

I think you misunderstand the point of Vets/TRs groups... I quite often will put up an LFM that goes something like "XP sack, run x/x, Vets/TRs".

You say you will finish before I fill? Probably, but you never said anything about completing before me. That's because I don't wait for my lfms to fill to start. I'll still complete my quest before you because I put the LFM up, and then I am running out to the quest.

By putting vets/trs into the title, I discourage people who don't know their way to the quest, and know the quest well enough to keep up.

My LFMs are for the community's benefit more than mine. So put up your antagonistic LFM; hopefully it will do its job and keep the noobs out of my LFMs. Just know that you aren't so badass taking the first 6/12 into the quest when many of us would prefer to shortman things.

You're sadly mistaken. I'll do the same thing. You act like short manning is an accomplishment. I've been playing for 5+ years and never been in a guild and have 17 capped toons most of them Trd at least once. I more than know how to short man or solo a quest and have been doing it for some time. Don't kid yourself and think your that uber that some newb can't keep up. He may not be as geared as you but it's not too hard to follow someone thru a quest. I've been running quests with newbies non stop as of late and do nothing but zerg from start to finish. Most seem to keep up ok.

I might take an extra minute or two tops to explain important stuff but it's only 2 minutes big deal. Guess what? Next run they know and I don't have to stop and teach them so we get done faster. My point in this thread is exactly this why discourage a newbie who wants to learn. This stuff isn't hard. As you said you're already soloing it.

[mournbladereigns]

My LFMs are for the community's benefit more than mine.

lololololol such a philanthropist. whatevs

[lord_of_rage]

I think you misunderstand the point of Vets/TRs groups... I quite often will put up an LFM that goes something like "XP sack, run x/x, Vets/TRs".

You say you will finish before I fill? Probably, but you never said anything about completing before me. That's because I don't wait for my lfms to fill to start. I'll still complete my quest before you because I put the LFM up, and then I am running out to the quest.

By putting vets/trs into the title, I discourage people who don't know their way to the quest, and know the quest well enough to keep up.

My LFMs are for the community's benefit more than mine. So put up your antagonistic LFM; hopefully it will do its job and keep the noobs out of my LFMs. Just know that you aren't so badass taking the first 6/12 into the quest when many of us would prefer to shortman things.

Rast while you are fun to run with Beer is one of those guys who has forgotten more about the game than you know. There are alot of players in your guild who respect him and group with him when they have the time. He shortmans constantly. He solos just as much. His drunken raid nights are a riot. You have to love short manning shrouds completely wasted and still completing in 25 min, with bsing. I enjoy running with the both of you. But to guys like Beer you are still new.

[flynnjsw]

1.I think you misunderstand the point of Vets/TRs groups... ".


2.My LFMs are for the community's benefit more than mine.

These two statements are so full of /fail for two entirely separate reasons.

1. I think you misunderstand who the OP is in the first place.

2. If you think "your LFM's benefit the community", then you need to hang out with Axer less...or maybe more.

[flynnjsw]

Why not ask them to join you and see how it's done? Show them, instead of berating them, that things can be done outside the "boxed" way of thinking.

Research is your friend...just sayin