Tempest Rogue feedback

[Buddrow]

This build seems like a lot of work, but I think is viable end game. I am positive there is something I missed to make it work more. Or perhaps I am just plain nuts. If your suggestion is to eat more tomes, just save it please.

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Tempest Rogue
Level 20 Chaotic Good Dwarf Female
(14 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 85 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 18
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    22
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    22
Bluff                -2                     2
Concentration         3                    12
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                  0                     6
Hide                  6                    33
Intimidate           -2                    -2
Jump                  7                    23
Listen                0                     1
Move Silently         6                    33
Open Lock             6                    26
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    29
Spot                  4                    26
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                6                    13
Use Magic Device      2                    21

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Search I


Level 4 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 8 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Improved Search II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Warrior of the Wild
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 20 (Rogue)

[OldAquarian]

What does that 14th level of rogue give you?
Might consider 13/6/1 where 1 can be Fighter/Monk/Barb
Please show enhancements, so we can get a better idea what you are trying (you can put them all at 20)

What are you trying to get?

[Luckness]

Regardless of you not wanting to "eat more tomes," I am going to suggest getting the +2 Dex tome instead of just a +1 in order to get Greater Two Weapon Fighting.

I am going to echo the previous post by saying that the 14th level of rogue doesn't give you much. Stopping at 13 Rogue is a much better idea.

Taking 6 ranger and Tempest I results in a feat deficit of 1, because ranger gives TWF and iTWF for free but requires three feats for the PrE.

The build takes Oversized TWF and no power attack. If that's what is required in order to hit things, it is more DPS, but overall it is a better idea to be able to hit things with power attack on, if that can be done.

One more thing... I don't see a feat selected at level 9, in the character planner.

13 Rogue / 6 Ranger / 1 Fighter or Monk. This gives you a feat to use in exchange for a lackluster rogue level. You could use it to get Greater Two Weapon Fighting.

[Buddrow]

Excellent suggestions. The tempest feats are too much, and a +2 dex tome isn't impossible (I just don't have one).

My main goal is to dual wield Dwarven axes for better dps. So my next question is when should I enter the level of fighter?

Here is a remake of the build

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Tempest Rogue
Level 20 Chaotic Good Dwarf Female
(1 Fighter \ 13 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 340
Spell Points: 170 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    22
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    19
Bluff                -2                     3
Concentration         3                    13
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                  0                     8
Hide                  6                    35
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  7                    23
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         6                    35
Open Lock             6                    30
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    28
Spot                  4                    27
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                6                    10
Use Magic Device      2                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Warrior of the Wild


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

[Luckness]

To make it easy to get plenty of feats while on the way to get Tempest I and also to make it easiest on the skill progression I would do this:

1 Rogue
2 Fighter
3-8 Ranger
the rest Rogue

I like getting the TWF feats before mid levels so that I can start dual wielding. Also, Fighter has the fewest skill points, Ranger has the second fewest, and you want to take 1 Rogue at level 1 to unlock the cross-class skills... so it is very easy to max what you want max'd this way. You also get a little +2 BAB boost while leveling compared to pure rogues.

[Kinerd]

Feats
-I very strongly urge you to get Improved Evasion instead of Skill Mastery.
-The Ranger active past life is only relevant for AC. I think you will be much better off ignoring it.
-Mental Toughness is not a great choice on a 6 ranger build. You will only have level 1 spell slots, and you can very very easily keep Ram's up without it. You can swap those two and your extra Toughness for the pre-reqs to Tempest - you're already in pretty good shape for Rogue HP, and Tempest + rogue = crazy delicious, feat deficit or no.
-Monstrous humanoids are squishy and fairly rare in endgame. A couple epic Fens quests and a couple eVoNs are the only places I can think of. I think you would get a lot more out of Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider. Amrath is crammed with them, Shroud, VoD, the list goes on.

Enhancements
-Haste Boost IV represents a 15% DPS increase without Quickdraw. It costs 10 AP, which you could currently recoup from Dex II and III which are giving you 1 Reflex save and not much else.
-Critical Accuracy only helps you if you are missing or are aiming for Kensei. Neither should be the case with this build.
-Ranger Favored Damage is worth a look: +2 damage for 3 AP is pretty efficient.