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    Default My Bard is mis-understood

    My L11 TR Warchanter has been getting rejected from a couple of PuGs again recently for not being a 'tank'.

    I have asked what sort of 'tank' they need and the answer is invariably a Fighter or Barb. So I say Im a 2HF Warchanter, but all I get is 'sorry, we need a tank'

    OK so Im not a pure melee class but I can hit well, I can self buff to 320+ HP, I have 750 SP, have a whole cupboard ful of buffs, can sing a jolly song, can heal and have a good UMD so I can scroll all the goodies like stoneskin, GH etc.


    Yet still Im not a good enough 'tank' for them.


    I understand people are free to run DDO how they choose and I just move on and either solo it or find another group.

    I guess the true potential of the Bard class isnt realised by everyone.




    Its tough and lonely being a Bard sometimes



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    If a group cannot appreciate the increased group DPS/Damage mitigation/buffs that a warchanter can bring to the group, then that may not be a group you want to be in either. Bards rock. (Pun intended).
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    Ill start off

    /hug

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    Quote Originally Posted by wootvenu View Post
    Ill start off

    /hug

    Hehe, I didnt mean hug me personally but Bards in general, however I'll accept it on behalf of all Bards with thanks.


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    Smile

    I have the same problem being Spellsinger, as groups often don't see me as a full fledged healer, even though I can perfectly keep everyone alive 'slong as they don't zerg alone or aggro a couple dozen of trash. I bet as a Virtuoso, groups don't quite accept them as CCers even though they have huge DCs and awesome songs. So the problem it's not us, it's them for underestimating the power of the Guitar,
    Oh and: If the group didn't already have a Bard: LOL NUBS



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    Default Puggers snub a viable build, news at 11.

    Here's a /grouphug to all you rejected bards, rogues, battle clerics and arcanes.

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    Way too common of an experience for bards. No amount of explanation will tell these individuals that +6 to hit and +6 to damage without any further PrE boosts to the entire party, along with the bard's own personal DPS can help a party more than another Barb/Fighter.

    And, at those levels, you don't have anything that needs to be "tanked" outside the Conjoined Abishai Devastator.

    A bard in an Epic Demon Queen adds so much DPS to the entire group that it can mean the difference between me having to drink a Mnemonic or not.

    Eventually, though, when you're 20, you will be in high demand for Epic VoN6, while they will still barely be able to get through Shroud.

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    If your bard is misunderstood....





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    Poorly played barb > poorly played bard

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadstick View Post
    Poorly played barb > poorly played bard
    hmm i wouldn't be so sure, tbh as long as you keep up inspire courage and do NOTHING ELSE (that wouold be quite poor playing) you would be worth TONS more than a poorly played barb

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    If they dont want you, they are not worthy

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    My virtuoso totally agree with you! Where's the love for us, virts, who sends countless enemies to sleep! So many times i've saved the day by enthralling a huge mob... *sigh*

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    Default A bard and his guitar

    hi

    never underestimate the power of a bard and his guitar.

    notice that he is THF type

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadstick View Post
    Poorly played barb > poorly played bard
    I dont agree with this. I see a poorly played barb sucking down healing, and running head with high speed. A poor bard will at least sing and sit in the back.

    To the OP.

    I agree, my 8/2/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue TR has a much greater ability to survive then my 10/2 Barb/fighter. Evasion, blur, displacement, UMD (Resist, Protection, stoneskin, GH, Fireshield ect...) as well as 300 hit points and self healing makes him one tough cookie. My only limiting factor is SP at this point
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    Hate me if you want, as of right now I'm not letting anyone crack open the build for this. Nope no way. Nada. I need developers working on the expansion pack, and that only. Again, hate me all you want, but creating a whole new realm takes priority over a broken bag. This is pretty much true of a few of the other issues that crept in today also.

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    I'm beginning to think that Bards are like the 'smart kids' in High School. In those early levels you're often an outcast, the most popular people tend to be the strong, muscle-headed barbarians. You try to convince people that you can add a lot to their group if they only would give you a chance, but they don't seem to listen, or really understand you. Your mom tells you not to worry, someday when you grow up to be level 20 all those party leaders that never answer your join requests will start sending you tells wanting you in their VoN runs. So, just do what you probably did in High School, content yourself with the knowledge that the world doesn't get how awesome you are, but that someday they will...and they shall rue that day. Rue the day I say! Muahahaha!
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    Well, I think theres two interpretations of this:

    1 - The LFM is asking for a DSP (common nomenclature for a class that can deal damage to boss and trash mobs), and yes, bard is DPS! If they are rejecting you but what they really want is a DPS, than a Bard (specially a Warchanter) can fill that roll because not only can he melee but he can also increase the damage output of the entire party - here your clearly dealing with people that have a misconception of what each class does or can do and in this case your better of not joinning them

    2 - The LFM is asking for a tank, then bard isnt a tank class per se! A tank is someone that will take the aggro and be the main source of damage and aggro. In this case a bard isnt usually good for that roll since your songs will not only buff you but the entire party and theres classes (Fighter, Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger and even Monk) that will perform better than you - in this case you dont qualify as a tank and as such you should not apply!

    To conclude always have in mind that pugging can be tricky and people sometimes dont master the quests nor do they have full knowledge of the game thats why they stick to what they know - hence the fact you see partys waiting ages for a healer when you can easily complete that quest without one or saying is mandatory to have a rogue when the traps can be bypassed by just jumping over or going around them. A pug is a pug, and you can always start your own groups when you arent happy with other people rules/conduct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan220 View Post
    I guess the true potential of the Bard class isnt realised by everyone.
    Preach it, my bardic brothah!

    Can melee, self heal, buff, raise, and get HP up to 500ish? Why are we NOT appreciated???

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    Because you can fills so many roles.

    People get worried that a bard will show them up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan220 View Post
    My L11 TR Warchanter has been getting rejected from a couple of PuGs again recently for not being a 'tank'.

    I have asked what sort of 'tank' they need and the answer is invariably a Fighter or Barb. So I say Im a 2HF Warchanter, but all I get is 'sorry, we need a tank'

    OK so Im not a pure melee class but I can hit well, I can self buff to 320+ HP, I have 750 SP, have a whole cupboard ful of buffs, can sing a jolly song, can heal and have a good UMD so I can scroll all the goodies like stoneskin, GH etc.


    Yet still Im not a good enough 'tank' for them.


    I understand people are free to run DDO how they choose and I just move on and either solo it or find another group.

    I guess the true potential of the Bard class isnt realised by everyone.




    Its tough and lonely being a Bard sometimes



    Hug a Bard today - it'll make you smile
    First off - Hug to all bards.
    I wouldnt take it personally iv been rejected from parties because i was a multi-class with a reply of you are a gimp because you are not a pure class. It made me laugh so hard. I so love the newbies that think they know it all.

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    A lot of inexperienced players say 'tank' but mean 'dps'. The rejection he got shows me that the leader is horribly inexperienced, and likely means this.

    At the OP's level, I can only really think of three quests where bosses are 'tanked' in the traditional sense.

    At or near level Chronoscopes, the Conjoined Abishai Devastator and to a lesser extent Bloodplate. The Abishai is best tanked by someone with evasion, usually a monk. Bloodplate can be tanked by anyone with enough HP.

    Arach's Defender in the Vault of Night, and that's not even a requirement, it's just easier for the group if one person takes aggro and everyone else gets on his back. Anyone can do it if they have enough HP.

    Sor'Jek in Tempest Spine is only tanked long enough for someone to complete the puzzle, then everyone beats him down.

    The OP has 320 HP at level 11, which is more than the average melee at those levels. Honestly, that's more than many level 20 Rogues. That's enough HP for any of the above "tanking" purposes, along with just contributing DPS, and boosting the whole parties DPS. Even the groups "healer" can get a massive melee DPS boost by bard song.

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