My opinion about the balance between fvs and clerics

[AtomicMew]

ive been gone for an week and this is the final post to finish this thread, really?
this is the best dps for an cleric available?

Basically, yes. A 17/2/1 clonk can put out ~245 DPS (with maxed out CHA and STR dumping wisdom), which doesn't change the overall picture. The DPS difference is even less if THF decides to twitch. Not only that, it loses the AoE melee advantage that the battle cleric build had, which makes it hard to argue vs. trash mob situations.

as for situational dps where fvs kills 50% fortification off endbosses and have 10 rapier wielding roques in the party okay. yes... tons of dps... for monks... not that much.

The calculation based on poor to moderate geared melees. Monks would actually benefit just as much from the debuff due to have double holy damage. For better geared toons, the damage boost scales appropriately.

i would like to reply with an DC50 stunning fist for 50% aditional damage over every hit on any trash for the entire party. except not every cleric has this so ill give it to fvs... for now.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF SPLASHING!

First, not sure how you're getting 50 DC without sacrificing strength and/or CHA, in which case your DPS goes way down.

Secondly, do not underestimate the power of more cleric levels. By splashing three levels, you're losing quite a bit of power from divine punishment. You're also losing a large amount of healing potency and healing capacity. Your healing loses about 15% potency. You're losing about 400 SP as well.

As for trash, I'll tell you what I told meat-head: A FvS has a flat out 30% boost to blade barrier. A FvS has archon and a FvS has free searing light. A marginal melee advantage can't compensate.

[erikbozelie]

As for trash, I'll tell you what I told meat-head: A FvS has a flat out 30% boost to blade barrier. A FvS has archon and a FvS has free searing light. A marginal melee advantage can't compensate.

yes an fvs will outnuke an cleric.

if it is capable of keeping up clerical melee( an good stacking build). not sure.
ill let you know once my toon hits 20.

all i can say is that 240dps is low. and 400 should be reachable.(not counting 50% stun).

lets throw math at the wall. see what sticks .

PS. i think both of them are required in an pt. the debuff, cure light wounds ability, the aura, bursts all sweet and awesome to have in 1 group.

[AtomicMew]

I've already done the calc, giving every possible advantage. You could possibly get a little more by going helf with rogue dill instead of horc, I guess. Also keep in mind that this is maxed DPS, so you won't be getting a 50 DC stunning fist at the same time.

400 melee DPS on a clonk is a fantasy. Most pure melee do not even do that much.

[erikbozelie]

I've already done the calc, giving every possible advantage. You could possibly get a little more by going helf with rogue dill instead of horc, I guess. Also keep in mind that this is maxed DPS, so you won't be getting a 50 DC stunning fist at the same time.

400 melee DPS on a clonk is a fantasy. Most pure melee do not even do that much.

yes, an 2h will never get it.
400*60 = 24000 damage over an min is our goal.

2h:
24000 / 120 attacks per min = 200 damage per min.( even with power attack doubled, this is something you will not get).

unarmed:
24000 divided by 225 attacks per min = 106 points of damage. (i was looking at 105 although that included an maxed warchanter bard).

i think it is reachable. although hard maintainable through some clikies(not including rage effects).
weapons have the limitation of having only an pre and an suffix. unarmed strikes however have tons of stacking gear. not to mention buffs.

this guy has the right idea. although optimized for number of effects. not focussed on damage

[jandhaer]

People who take capstone free searing light vs free cure light wounds are crazy ... that is all