Seriously, PM light damage......nerf it PLZ!!!!

[gerardIII]

Also with my current STR I can bash those bashable doors

[voodoogroves]

All I can say is ... it gets better.

You learn who does what and when. Farming the WizKing front room for scrolls may take you a few times to learn who to dodge and when so you don't get one-shot, but it's all worth it.

I'm not decked out in tons of gear on my capped PM and I haven't TR'd him yet or anything - but he's a freaking beast.

Part of this may be my complete and total ignorance of Vampire form. I honestly don't use it and don't see myself ever really using it. I'm a strictly conventional Lich-Wraith dude.

I'm still a huge fan of leveling out-of-form until you get to your primary form. Damage avoiders, that's wraith ... damage soakers and DC boosters, that's Lich. Until then, stay fleshie or 'forged.

[Zildoran]

Max is 14 con on a first life drow wizard with 20 int

[Emili]

I believe you could start with 16 con and 20 int, or am I over estimating the amount of points/starting stats you get on a drow?

14 con is the same cost for elf/drow as 16 on most other races except Dwarf/WF where is equal to 18 on those in build points. Elf however can cap their stat at 16 if they have 32 points to spend. Drow however are always 28 build point races unless you TR'd into that race - then I believe you have 30 to distribute and still a little short. They are a cheap way to grab DC though.

32 point 8 8 18 18 8 8 human
32 point 8 8 18 18 8 8 helf
32 point 8 10 16 18 8 8 elf
32 point 8 8 20 18 8 8 wf

28 point 8 10 14 20 8 10 drow and 2 points left to place somewhere but not enough for 15 con as you'd need 3 points to do so.

Even looking at a TR makes me want to do ... 8 10 16 19 8 10 but it would be better off going human or helf reaching the same DC under extreme gear.

Personally I do not tweak too much nor am not the extreme build extraodanaire, (lol Norg called me a traditionalist he's pretty much right). I could very well as is not hard or any magic to it. Guess being a musician and programmer am pretty much a numbers person and could tweak the **** out of things. I definately know well enough and have enough tweaked friends and aquaintances around, but this is a game. I spent the better part of the day shaving an very old oracle pl/sql package down and rebuilding some queries it so some body else's conversion script would run in under 20 minutes now instead of the 22 hours it was taking last week, I leave the math at work.

[Dawnsfire]

I leveled up my Drow PM just fine. Some trouble in Coal Chamber when trying the Vampire form, but nothing else. I wasn't in undead form in Running with Devils until the end fight (also that's when I saved the party, they all died, I solo'd the bosses and I brought them Soulstones back to the shrine).

Now I have 422hp (not uber I know) raged in lich form (GS +45HP coming soon for a total of 467), I do OK in epics as CC, and I do very good in Shroud with Wail/Circle of Death/FOD/Necrotic Ray in part 1,2,4 where I'm always at the top of the kill count, even when there are other casters in the group.

Of course light spells are a problem when you are lvl 15 with as low as 150hp, but that's not because of the PM prestige enhancements. CON is not a dump stat.

lvl 15 wizard:
starting con 14+6item = 20 => +75hp
(+6 items at lvl 15 are not really expensive)
+20 heroic durability
+60 wizard
Total 155hp.
Now with Toughness: +17hp
let's say +20hp Toughness enhancements
+30 greater false life (not expensive at lvl 15)
that's 222hp at lvl 15 if my math is correct.

Add to that Minos Legens, +2 tome, +2 airship, + 2 rage and you have +65hp, so total 287. Not too bad.
The Death aura is 25 hp /2 seconds, also you have the burst for emergencies, around 150hp.

I am so happy that you enjoy this. My point still stands. I will play a class and Pre that is useful in all quests. I do not appreciate putting a lot of time into leveling a character to find that I have to ignore my Pre and all the ap I sunk into it to run a given quest.

For some people struggling through is not a fun game night. If you add to that the fact that there is not a single other Pre that risks being one/two shotted on a regular basis and you have the complaint in a nutshell. I am fairly certain that Savants would be far less popular if they took 2-4x damage from their opposing element (especially if resistance to that element did not exist). Better yet try convincing a WF character to run a quest where every third combatant is a rust monster.

When I am in the mood to try an instakill mage in the future I will just go WF AM. If I spend 4-6 ap and I can erase their only vulnerability (except those scary rusties).

[Drekisen]

I see it the other way around really, I just hit level 6 and I am playing in Zombie form unless it's just completely un-doable.

If anything at all it's going to make me that much better of a PM by the time I hit Lich form when you are almost unstoppable.

I compare it to AC....why bother with the the AC at low levels when it's not going to matter at high levels anyways...you learn how to live without it and are used to it and that much better by the time you hit cap.

But seriously, Barbs and Fighters can do crazy DPS too and even without fortification they are not capable of being one shotted by a single melee enemy critical hit.....like full HP to zero in one shot.

Our self healing in form is nice and all, but it's not so powerful that I think it warrants us being crippled by light rays. Hurt more or even scary is fine.....it's beyond that point tho.

It'll be more doable when I hit level 7 and get Death Aura and Negative Energy Burst.

Honestly tho, light rays are the scariest thing I have ever faced in the game when ur level 6 and only have lesser death aura....LOL

That tiefling optional in Partycrashers.......with the whole gang of them and the restroom shrines....wow....that was...."exciting".

[Boegvar]

Drow is a way to be able to gimp a pm (i know it sounds hard and i learned it the hard way).
Wizzies have low base hp so they need con. I would never start an arcane caster with fewer than 16 con, and 16 con only if im tred the char and can use my gs hp item, and want to plan an elf.
No1 forces a pm to stay in undead form all the time.

[Postumus]

Absolutely not. +6 item will fix any carrying compacity problems you have at cap, +2 tome also helps. no reason to gimp your HP for no reason imo.

Not on a a character that you use for crafting. All those essences and shards and collectibles add a LOT of weight for a dinky 14 STR wiz.

[Boegvar]

Not on a a character that you use for crafting. All those essences and shards and collectibles add a LOT of weight for a dinky 14 STR wiz.

There is a bank in the crafting area. Just put your crafting stuff in a bag, put the bag in the bank, and you have to deal only with the essences you loot.
You dont need to carry your all your stuff.

[Postumus]

Everybody knows about Running with the Devils, but pretty much every healing caster casts Searing Light. Wight Priests (which are everywhere), 2 types of enemies on Sorrowdusk Island, a lot of scorrow bosses (in the Xorian Cipher and other places), and many, many more.

Yeah this is cruddy since when are wights (or other evil cleric types) supposed to be able to cast light spells? Undead casting light spells? C'mon.

[Postumus]

There is a bank in the crafting area. Just put your crafting stuff in a bag, put the bag in the bank, and you have to deal only with the essences you loot.
You dont need to carry your all your stuff.

You want to roll the dice sticking bags filled with valuables in your bank slots, you go right ahead. I've read far to many stories in the forums about folks losing their valuables that way.

[gogetta101]

Its called an ioun stone or mantle of worldshaper at least.... Thats the exact reason i got those on my pm...
Hated to get hit once by searing light than over half my hp was gone.. I only have about 519 raged and in lich...

[MrPilgrim]

Personally I've only had a problem with battling with Doomspheres with my PM because I never know what to throw at them other than Melf's Acid arrow lol and a skeleton summon so they don't go for me. The x4 or x2 light damage I can totally deal with since hey, PM undead forms rock.

[The_Brave2]

Personally I've only had a problem with battling with Doomspheres with my PM because I never know what to throw at them other than Melf's Acid arrow lol and a skeleton summon so they don't go for me. The x4 or x2 light damage I can totally deal with since hey, PM undead forms rock.

Finger Of Death.

[MrPilgrim]

Finger Of Death.

Arrr if only I can. they're undead, and usually red named like Pykzyl or something.

[The_Brave2]

Arrr if only I can. they're undead, and usually red named like Pykzyl or something.

Ah, im thinking mainstream Beholders. Shoot em up with Disintegrate.

[LunaCee]

Finger Of Death.

Except for the fact that Doomspheres are UNDEAD beholders with a stack of undead immunities. I think they are also able to be lit up with lightning damage though. Makes that one electric DoT a nice toy to smack them around with. The other option being the 9th level Eladrin summon since it has light damage spammage and draws attention. Which allows for things like disintegrate (which can be very nice if you took the force line and boosted untyped damage...)

[The_Brave2]

Except for the fact that Doomspheres are UNDEAD beholders with a stack of undead immunities. I think they are also able to be lit up with lightning damage though. Makes that one electric DoT a nice toy to smack them around with. The other option being the 9th level Eladrin summon since it has light damage spammage and draws attention. Which allows for things like disintegrate (which can be very nice if you took the force line and boosted untyped damage...)

Yes, I corrected myself. I read beholder when it said doomsphere. On a side note, they are immune to elec damage.

[Bodic]

house P partycrashers

Mirror Cloak 30 res light damage once it gets revamp'd

yes light damage is bad in vampire form an FvS can crit +5k searing on a 5 stack menace.

most go Lich as it is the +Int so double damage

they are all 2x other than Vamp at 4x

[FrozenNova]

It's mostly the fact that actual vampires take less light damage than in-form PM's that bugs me.