Tenser's Transformation

[darkforest]

Last time Tenser's Transformation was discussed was, what, four months ago? Updates come and went and the spell fizzled without even a whimper.

Come on, my fleshie melee caster needs this additional flare to tick off the naysaying know-it-alls.

[jaegarnel]

Do you actually need it? Just show them the awesome power of arcane muscles without a spell. Spells are for those wimpy arcanes who haven't yet been enlightened, and still believe their magic will let them do more damage.

Frankly, Tenser's Transformation has always sucked, both in PnP and in any D&D based game I've played. I don't see why that fine tradition should be abandoned now.

[Sparky21]

its just a 'for fun only' spell. melee wizard cannot outperform any self respecting casting wizard. multiclass or no.

losing the ability to cast spells is just to costly/risky/lame.

[sigtrent]

Its pretty bad, but I do like to keep a few scrolls of it around for when I actually do run out of mana.

So many ways this spell could be more fun. Having an off button, allowing some limited casting, buffs that scale more with level.

[darkforest]

its just a 'for fun only' spell.

Looks like it has the same objective as the reason most people play DDO.

losing the ability to cast spells is just to costly/risky/lame.

Then you have no excuse not to swing that great sword.

[darkforest]

Do you actually need it? Just show them the awesome power of arcane muscles without a spell. Spells are for those wimpy arcanes who haven't yet been enlightened, and still believe their magic will let them do more damage.

You betcha. How else do you get free and persistent reroll lessons and guidance to ungimp nowadays?

Frankly, Tenser's Transformation has always sucked, both in PnP and in any D&D based game I've played. I don't see why that fine tradition should be abandoned now.

But had you been strength based, you would have been so much happier.

[Quarterling]

To all those thinking this is WAI or simply a "for fun" spell, I have a quote for you...

Tenser's Transformation is on the "yeah, this has to change" list. It's pretty faithful to the tabletop implementation, but that's not enough to make it a good spell. Expect it to change in the future to something more valuable to an arcane melee type character.

[kilagan800]

I remember about a year ago in von5 my non-melee caster was using a great sword, and another wiz who figured I was a melee cast tensors on me at the end boss when I needed to rely on my spells the most. I died right off the get-go and the party got wiped shortly after.

I would say that there are 2 ways to fix tensors.
1. Make it usable
2. Make it so that you can't cast it on others.

[Quarterling]

I remember about a year ago in von5 my non-melee caster was using a great sword, and another wiz who figured I was a melee cast tensors on me at the end boss when I needed to rely on my spells the most. I died right off the get-go and the party got wiped shortly after.

I would say that there are 2 ways to fix tensors.
1. Make it usable
2. Make it so that you can't cast it on others.

You already can only cast it on yourself.

Source 1
Source 2

[TheArchitect-]

another Wiz Who Figured I Was A Melee Cast Tensors On Me At The End Boss

rofl

[donfilibuster]

But truth is even Tenser himself may have gave up at some point, he never went around to fix his transformation, considering he managed to finish floating disk, greater :/

Tenser had a share of wipes, three of four big quests listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenser resulted in failures.
A look at his researched spells shows he may have been playing battlecaster.
transformation could very well have been tested by trial and error...

But Tenser had one thing we casters in DDO don't have: clone.
I say clone should be a spell on the repair and reconstruct repertoire of warforged casters.

[darkforest]

His page doesn't have his stats

But truth is even Tenser himself may have gave up at some point, he never went around to fix his transformation, considering he managed to finish floating disk, greater :/

Tenser had a share of wipes, three of four big quests listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenser resulted in failures.
A look at his researched spells shows he may have been playing battlecaster.
transformation could very well have been tested by trial and error...

But Tenser had one thing we casters in DDO don't have: clone.
I say clone should be a spell on the repair and reconstruct repertoire of warforged casters.

[Phidius]

To all those thinking this is WAI or simply a "for fun" spell, I have a quote for you...

Tenser's Transformation is on the "yeah, this has to change" list. It's pretty faithful to the tabletop implementation, but that's not enough to make it a good spell. Expect it to change in the future to something more valuable to an arcane melee type character.

Thanks for the quote - I knew I had seen Eladrin post this, but didn't feel up to finding it.

My only problem with the above quote is that I'm not convinced that the game the developers play is the same one that I play. Hence, what they think would be "more valuable to an arcane melee type character" is likely to miss by a country mile.

And with the deafening silence that we seem to be treated with when it comes to Turbine's plan for the game, I don't see any reason to change my stance on this issue. Granted, their plan may be more closely matched to a series of reactions than an actual plan...

[donfilibuster]

His page doesn't have his stats

Perhaps he's older than stats. :P

http://www.greyhawkonline.com/duicarthan/npcz.html
http://www.greyhawkonline.com/duicar...cs/tenser.html
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgmp/20061017
http://www.enworld.org/forum/general...ml#post4707079