Ironwood - Survivalist Staff Master

[Jaid314]

i don't think anyone out there is making a staff build with the expectation of doing *more* damage. at least, i hope they're not; that's the fast road to disappointment.

[wax_on_wax_off]

i don't think anyone out there is making a staff build with the expectation of doing *more* damage. at least, i hope they're not; that's the fast road to disappointment.

Yeah, I was worried it might be misinterpreted. I wasn't referring to its capacity as a top DPS build but more along the lines that a similarly themed unarmed build could be just as survivable but have a significant advantage in attacks/minute (and hence usually DPS).

[OldAquarian]

Latest sentiment is that only one concealment works with incorporeal - OP updated with concealment list

[OldAquarian]

Was considering reconfiguring to have the full THF build and the full TWF line for unarmed/ssword
I could drop both cleaves and quickdraw
but I can't
Working backwards 18 gTWF 15 gTHF 12 IC:Blunt 9 iTWF 6 ???? Need 6 BAB for iTHF (or iTWF)
None of the monk feats are high BAB, and even taking 4 monk/2 pally to start is only a 5 BAB

Any thoughts?
(would it be worthwhile?/is it possible?)

[Calebro]

Was considering reconfiguring to have the full THF build and the full TWF line for unarmed/ssword
I could drop both cleaves and quickdraw
but I can't
Working backwards 18 gTWF 15 gTHF 12 IC:Blunt 9 iTWF 6 ???? Need 6 BAB for iTHF (or iTWF)
None of the monk feats are high BAB, and even taking 4 monk/2 pally to start is only a 5 BAB

Any thoughts?
(would it be worthwhile?/is it possible?)

Drop the THF feats. Like I said before, they do more harm than good on a build like this anyway. You can still use staves quite effectively without them, and doing so will allow you to have unarmed/sswords as an option.
And quite frankly, having played a smilar build myself, you'll be using unarmed/sswords more often anyway and staves will be demoted to extreme situational use. Basically, if you would use a staff on it, wraps are even better.

[OldAquarian]

Drop the THF feats. Like I said before, they do more harm than good on a build like this anyway. You can still use staves quite effectively without them, and doing so will allow you to have unarmed/sswords as an option.
And quite frankly, having played a smilar build myself, you'll be using unarmed/sswords more often anyway and staves will be demoted to extreme situational use. Basically, if you would use a staff on it, wraps are even better.

So changed it around a bit to two handed - and switched to more monk since assassin II wasn't that exciting
Ended up a 12 Monk(Ninja II)/7 Rogue(Assn I)/1 Ranger and a half elf(pally)
Different enough to get it's own thread

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=333149

Trying to refit something a bit closer to this build for THF - but haven't liked anything yet