Guild Ship Invites

[Leatherneck]

My question is why would they? not like im lobying to change their guild policy, its their right, but I want a good reason why they are being stingy

Well to be blunt, and not rude, they do not owe anyone a reason for their policies other than their members. Just make a note of the guild for yourself and move on. I think several reasons have been posted above and while some may not agree with them....to bad. Lol

[Gkar]

My question is why would they? not like im lobying to change their guild policy, its their right, but I want a good reason why they are being stingy

Then I want a good reason why you think you are entitled to access when you go around namecalling people you disagree with.

[Bob_The_Terrible]

This happened to me yesterday.

Here's the scenario.
I'm on a TR'd toon, lvl 10.

I need to upgrade my goggles to tier 3 so I can use them once i hit lvl 11.
I have all the shards and ingredients, but I would like to upgrade my goggles now, rather than at lvl 15-16 once I'm flagged for Shroud.

I ended up having to ask people for invites, because my ship doesn't have a tier 3 altar.
Dang that was a mess. People were freaking out that I would even ask to use their altar.

After about an hour I finally found someone who was willing to take 25k plat to let me on his ship.
I get on it and immediately start crafting. Then I get swarmed by 5-6 of his guildies on the airship who start humpin my leg while I try to craft. It didn't bother me much, but really? I just wanted to finish a tier 3 item and I couldn't do it in shroud. What's the big deal?

It definitely showed me which guilds I wouldn't want to join.

[Thrudh]

A Stormglory Tempest can have only 50 passengers at one time. If the guild's membership is in the thousands it would be relatively easy for the guild to have 50 members online at the same time, thus making the possibility of locking each other out more real. Add random numbers of 'guests' and the possibility of a lockout goes up.

FYI, a guild can only have up to ONE thousand members, but I see what you're saying.

[Hambo]

Imo it does matter what the reason is, because quite frankly the instance you are suggesting isnt the one im talking about, im not talking about inviting some1 when they need to get to the quest quickly, im talking about the 3rd or 4th member asking for a ship invite, which is completly reasonable.

Ship buffs make a HUGE difference while leveling and at Cap.. the +2 damage +2 to hit among other things add a nice boost, but the effictiveness of ship buff isnt what we are debating here, im simply asking for a good reaosn to simply not allow anyone on your ship at all.

As for the comment about '50 member compacity' sounds a bit outrageous, quite frankly it takes what? 2-3mins to get ship buffs then you're on your way to the quest, its not like they are going to sit on your ship for hours to spite you when you did something nice for them.

Not all guilds WANT random people asking to join their guild all the time, most of the good guilds are exclusive and it is those guilds that I have seen not allowing people to their ship.

So.. baisicly your view point is 'I worked for it, its mine' heh. IF no one shared in DDO it would be a Sad game indeed.

...and your attitude seems to be "if it's yours I should have access too". Just like people who think they're entitled to another chance at raid loot awarded to me.

My guild is at level 25. We don't have any of the higher level amenities, but I would have to run a couple of quests with you before you would get an airship invite, and if you were not in a guild it would probably be accompanied with a guild invitation

[The_Brave2]

Well to be blunt, and not rude, they do not owe anyone a reason for their policies other than their members. Just make a note of the guild for yourself and move on. I think several reasons have been posted above and while some may not agree with them....to bad. Lol

Classic Stonewall. How about Owning up to why instead of just saying Because, If you dont have any other reasons than the ones stated above, thats fine, but if you have some huge opposition to it I would like a further explanation.

No reason to Sidestep the question and not give a direct answer.

Not to mention I do exclude a number of these guilds in my runs, and quite frankly thats a shame.

[Hordo]

Seeing as people keep bringing up maximum ship passengers, can any1 attest to encountering a ship full bug on a high level guild ship? Seems like a Hypothetical problem imo, thoughts?

1. Yes, I can.
2. Guild Chests have been bugged on and off since inception...and because a friend play-tested this very thing for me the other day they seem to be currently working and not allowing other guild officers to access them.
3. Officers in other guilds have off and on, again since inception, been able to open the hookpoints up and alter whatever amenities were there. Have that happen to your TP purchased 5% XP Shrine a few times with it being replaced with a cheapy 1% one bought with plat...it becomes irksome. Playtesting last night showed that this was still bugged allowing for some griefing there.

How's that for a few reasons?

EDIT: And, no, you still can't come on our boat.

[Atenhotep]

Alright, I know this is a hot topic for many guilds, that they wont allow anyone onto their guild ship for any reason, atleast this is the case on Khyber.

My question for theese guilds is... why?

I'm the leader of the third highest renown guild on my server.

Not only do we allow people to use our ship, we encourage it.

I've even been known to boot people who refuse to use our buffs when they do not have any of equal quality.

If the people we are grouping with are helped, buffed and protected as well as we are then this helps us to accomplish our mutual goals of a smooth quest completion, right?

If Guild Leaders are worried that offering buffs to others will result in their members being bothered to use their ship then that might be a legitimate concern however only one time has this ever happened to me and that was only recently.

My guild members have not reported any such disturbances either.

We also have a policy that any non guild member on our ship is the responsibility of the guild member who gave the ship invite.

Aten

[somenewnoob]

How is that any worse than waiting for anyone, your royal highness included, to get ship buffs? And while there is probably some correlation between guild level and player skill it's extremely modest (much more modest than the notable correlation between huge d-bags and lvl 70+ guilds).

How is what worse? Asking for an invite?

lol did you call me your royal highness? (and if so.....uh...why?)

And what did my post have to do with guild level?

[The_Brave2]

...and your attitude seems to be "if it's yours I should have access too". Just like people who think they're entitled to another chance at raid loot awarded to me.

My guild is at level 25. We don't have any of the higher level amenities, but I would have to run a couple of quests with you before you would get an airship invite, and if you were not in a guild it would probably be accompanied with a guild invitation

I agree that something that you work for is entitled to you, im simply asking how it hurts you in any way to share something like ship buff. Besides that, many guilds dont really work for their buffs, just running quests casually gets you renown, and many of the high level guilds dont do any 'renown farming' to obtain their guild level. so.. your not really working for it... depending on what guild you belong to.

Applying your argument to raid loot is laughable, taking it way to far. you would be at some sort of loss if you were to give me that Flawless red that you know you want to give to me

But it has been said before, airship max members... just waiting for anyone to confirm a situation where this actually happened.

[thwart]

How is what worse? Asking for an invite?

lol did you call me your royal highness? (and if so.....uh...why?)

And what did my post have to do with guild level?

Anyone who pikes at work is deserving of the title "your royal highness".

[Hordo]

Anyone who pikes at work is deserving of the title "your royal highness".

If that's the case what am I, the Emperor?

[The_Brave2]

1. Yes, I can.
2. Guild Chests have been bugged on and off since inception...and because a friend play-tested this very thing for me the other day they seem to be currently working and not allowing other guild officers to access them.
3. Officers in other guilds have off and on, again since inception, been able to open the hookpoints up and alter whatever amenities were there. Have that happen to your TP purchased 5% XP Shrine a few times with it being replaced with a cheapy 1% one bought with plat...it becomes irksome. Playtesting last night showed that this was still bugged allowing for some griefing there.

How's that for a few reasons?

EDIT: And, no, you still can't come on our boat.

Oh god, I didnt know a Soulstone could post on the fourms

As a member of a guild I cannot replace a existing shrine with a new one, only add a shrine if there is not one.

I have not tested trying to do it on another ship, but yes, that would be a HUGE reason not to allow people on your ship and I would respect that, but im weary about that reason... seems odd a member couldnt but a random person could.
Perhaps the person that did that was an officer in the other guild and could do that? would make a little more sense.

Edit: Read your post more throughly and saw you said he was an officer, should be reported as a bug, as that is simply not acceptable.

I still dont see a reason someone that you nicely allowed onto your ship would do something like that.

[somenewnoob]

Anyone who pikes at work is deserving of the title "your royal highness".

lol.........I do part of the quest..........but then just sort of stand around until it's over!

[thwart]

If that's the case what am I, the Emperor?

Since I am sitting in my office not working ... I think you are the co-Emperor.

[somenewnoob]

I've noticed my posts/hour increase the closer it gets to when I get to leave!

[Hordo]

Oh god, I didnt know a Soulstone could post on the fourms

As a member of a guild I cannot replace a existing shrine with a new one, only add a shrine if there is not one.

I have not tested trying to do it on another ship, but yes, that would be a HUGE reason not to allow people on your ship and I would respect that, but im weary about that reason... seems odd a member couldnt but a random person could.
Perhaps the person that did that was an officer in the other guild and could do that? would make a little more sense.

Yes, you have it exactly...

Off and on the access to hookpoints bugs so that any officer may have access. Also, don't forget between Updates 8 and 9.x patch there was a period where ANY player could open hookpoints but thankfully few knew about it and the damage was minimal.

I've had several folks look into this just in the last 2 days and the results are mixed:

1. guild chests seem to be working properly allowing the right folks and not allowing the wrong ones.

2. guild hookpoints are off and on still able to be accessed by another guild's officer...it was able to be done occasionally but other times it didn't allow for the hookpoints to be brought up. And on one occasion the hookpoints did appear but the other guild's officer could not open the menu to purchase an amenity nor use one, but the rest of the times they did open he was able to either purchase or use, and frequently both.

[Leatherneck]

Classic Stonewall. How about Owning up to why instead of just saying Because, If you dont have any other reasons than the ones stated above, thats fine, but if you have some huge opposition to it I would like a further explanation.

No reason to Sidestep the question and not give a direct answer.

Not to mention I do exclude a number of these guilds in my runs, and quite frankly thats a shame.

You are missing the point. No one owes you an explanation. Again though, reasons have been posted by others as to why it is/may be done. I personally have never denied a request for a ship invite except the blind spammers hitting up every active member for a T3 use invite.

[thwart]

I've noticed my posts/hour increase the closer it gets to when I get to leave!

Now you are just trying to out-post me while I am at the office. I cannot allow that.

[Sarisa]

2. guild hookpoints are off and on still able to be accessed by another guild's officer...it was able to be done occasionally but other times it didn't allow for the hookpoints to be brought up. And on one occasion the hookpoints did appear but the other guild's officer could not open the menu to purchase an amenity nor use one, but the rest of the times they did open he was able to either purchase or use, and frequently both.

Could this be related to the guild the officer is a member of having the same type of Airship or not?