Guild Ship Invites

[somenewnoob]

Now you are just trying to out-post me while I am at the office. I cannot allow that.

nuh uh

[The_Brave2]

Yes, you have it exactly...

Off and on the access to hookpoints bugs so that any officer may have access. Also, don't forget between Updates 8 and 9.x patch there was a period where ANY player could open hookpoints but thankfully few knew about it and the damage was minimal.

I've had several folks look into this just in the last 2 days and the results are mixed:

1. guild chests seem to be working properly allowing the right folks and not allowing the wrong ones.

2. guild hookpoints are off and on still able to be accessed by another guild's officer...it was able to be done occasionally but other times it didn't allow for the hookpoints to be brought up. And on one occasion the hookpoints did appear but the other guild's officer could not open the menu to purchase an amenity nor use one, but the rest of the times they did open he was able to either purchase or use, and frequently both.

Alright, thats a valid reason then, untill they are fixed for good it would be acceptable to not allow certain people onto your ship, but still... Why would some1 do that unless they had some grudge against your guild? and they would only have a grudge if you didnt let them on your ship... sooo... eh. paradox.

In any case I can understand Not letting people on for that reason, hopefully it will be fixed soon and you wont have to worry about it all mighty co-emperor Hordo

[protokon]

I agree that something that you work for is entitled to you, im simply asking how it hurts you in any way to share something like ship buff. Besides that, many guilds dont really work for their buffs, just running quests casually gets you renown, and many of the high level guilds dont do any 'renown farming' to obtain their guild level. so.. your not really working for it... depending on what guild you belong to.

Applying your argument to raid loot is laughable, taking it way to far. you would be at some sort of loss if you were to give me that Flawless red that you know you want to give to me

But it has been said before, airship max members... just waiting for anyone to confirm a situation where this actually happened.

Our guild loses upwards of 100k renown per day. Believe it or not, to hold and continue leveling, we work for our renown. We do daily guild shroud runs for the sole purpose of trying to hold on to our renown gains. We have people who log on and do a raid they don't need on almost a daily basis, just to keep up with the renown loss. We have officers who ransack chests just to pull renown on almost a daily basis.

You can't assume that all guilds don't do any work other than play like normal to level up - if that were the case, all those big guilds would be in the 80's. What separates Inferus (lvl 82) from those level 60 guilds is our officer/member dedication to keep the renown train flowing.

[somenewnoob]

Now you are just trying to out-post me while I am at the office. I cannot allow that.

Well.....maybe

[thwart]

Well.....maybe

Its time for me to go home. So you win this round. But next time I will have my re-vengeance.

[stainer]

Feel free to message any officer of OMGBIZZY on Khyber for a ship invite.

[jaegarnel]

Personally, I've yet to encounter anybody actually refusing access to their guild ships when asked.

Then again, people (me included, despite having no ship buffs at all) tend not to ask, but lots of people in big guilds, especially in lower level quests do ask whether anyone needs x level ship buffs. and usually we accept.

Even if I met people who refused to invite people to their ship for buffs, I wouldn't think anything of it.
Your ship, your rules, just like your loot is your loot and your group, your rules.

[Gildane]

For my guild, we would much rather the other players on our server thought of us as a nice bunch of guys and gals, so we often let others on our ship. We always have +2 stats shrines and a few 30 resists, often a member has bought a tier 3 altar because they were on shroud timer. Makes us happy to see others benefitting from our sucess. So if you group with anyone from our guild, feel free to ask for a ship invite. If you are up there and you see me /wave at you, better /wave back though!

[somenewnoob]

Your ship, your rules, just like your loot is your loot and your group, your rules.

Yep, that's basically it.

[The_Brave2]

Our guild loses upwards of 100k renown per day. Believe it or not, to hold and continue leveling, we work for our renown. We do daily guild shroud runs for the sole purpose of trying to hold on to our renown gains. We have people who log on and do a raid they don't need on almost a daily basis, just to keep up with the renown loss. We have officers who ransack chests just to pull renown on almost a daily basis.

You can't assume that all guilds don't do any work other than play like normal to level up - if that were the case, all those big guilds would be in the 80's. What separates Inferus (lvl 82) from those level 60 guilds is our officer/member dedication to keep the renown train flowing.

I said many of the high level guilds dont farm renown.

Doesnt mean your guild isnt farming.

Guilds should be running raids they dont need to help out guildees that do anywase, i fail to see how it is a renown farm. Just my PoV.

[The_Brave2]

Your ship, your rules, just like your loot is your loot and your group, your rules.

Yep, but just like with loot, there are certain things that are considered ill conduct, Ex/ not giving it to the highest roller because you dont like them, (debatably selling loot) - Eventho im fine with it.

At first i considered not allowing airship invited to anyone not in your guild was ill conduct, but from some of the reasons, the largest contributer being Hordo on this matter, It is reasonable.

Question to some guilds not allowing people on their ship, does this extend to friends of people in your guild? say my friend wanted a ship invite, would that not be allowed? seems silly.

[rocky0]

I have not had anyone ask for an airship invite and as we are a small guild, it prolly wont ever happen. For what my opinion is worth, if we were big enough to have people wanting to use the ship my answer wouldbe a polite no. The reason being is the same for those people who I see all the time wanting to be invited to a high level guild with a airship and all the buffs.

Basically I want only those who help and contribute to the guild to be able to use those rewards we have recieved. We worked hard for those and letting someone on the ship or join just because we ahve thsoe rewards doesnt sit right with me. I kow its a game and and it really doesnt mean anything in the long run but if they didnt help us get those rewards then why should I allow them to use them??

If there were certain players who have helped in a group or I have run with before who helped em get renown for my guild then those I would happily allow. I guess I am just of the mindset "the victors go the spoils". You didnt help us earn those rewards so other than being nice, why shuold I allow you to benefit from them??

I say this in the nicest way possible and of course its only my opinion

[The_Brave2]

I have not had anyone ask for an airship invite and as we are a small guild, it prolly wont ever happen. For what my opinion is worth, if we were big enough to have people wanting to use the ship my answer wouldbe a polite no. The reason being is the same for those people who I see all the time wanting to be invited to a high level guild with a airship and all the buffs.

Basically I want only those who help and contribute to the guild to be able to use those rewards we have recieved. We worked hard for those and letting someone on the ship or join just because we ahve thsoe rewards doesnt sit right with me. I kow its a game and and it really doesnt mean anything in the long run but if they didnt help us get those rewards then why should I allow them to use them??

If there were certain players who have helped in a group or I have run with before who helped em get renown for my guild then those I would happily allow. I guess I am just of the mindset "the victors go the spoils". You didnt help us earn those rewards so other than being nice, why shuold I allow you to benefit from them??

I say this in the nicest way possible and of course its only my opinion

THIS is why I posted this thread.

The same logic should be applied to people joining your guild once you have the higher level. So a guild shouldn't expand anymore once it expands past lv.2 because the origonal members have done more work, and people just joining would have the same benefit for less work.

Main argument for sharing ship buffs is that it helps the party complete a quest more easily, and improving your toon is the same thing, wouldnt you want to help your party out? Isnt that the point in making a good toon... to complete a quest more easily? to have more fun?

but in the end, you worked for it, its yours, do with it what you will. but take into account that sharing is caring.

[stainer]

THIS is why I posted this thread.


Main argument for sharing ship buffs is that it helps the party complete a quest more easily, and improving your toon is the same thing, wouldnt you want to help your party out? Isnt that the point in making a good toon... to complete a quest more easily? to have more fun?

In my experience people that need ship buffs to complete a quest "more easily" tend to slow the group down. This leads to a less than pleasurable experience on my end.

[somenewnoob]

THIS is why I posted this thread.

The same logic should be applied to people joining your guild once you have the higher level. So a guild shouldn't expand anymore once it expands past lv.2 because the origonal members have done more work, and people just joining would have the same benefit for less work.

Main argument for sharing ship buffs is that it helps the party complete a quest more easily, and improving your toon is the same thing, wouldnt you want to help your party out? Isnt that the point in making a good toon... to complete a quest more easily? to have more fun?

but in the end, you worked for it, its yours, do with it what you will. but take into account that sharing is caring.

lol sharing is caring. Very nice.

That's why I invite people to mine when a hard quest is coming up. Just ups the chances for success slightly. (And greatly increases the smoothness of the run usually)

And the way I look at it, I'm getting some guild renown on this quest, so get your poor guildless butts to my ship so I don't have to ferry your stones from shrine to shrine!

But I still wouldn't look down on guild that didn't invite people, it's ther choice. I understand why they wouldn't want to, and I understand why you would want to.

[The_Brave2]

In my experience people that need ship buffs to complete a quest "more easily" tend to slow the group down. This leads to a less than pleasurable experience on my end.

Granted, it dos depend on the quest, but after having high level ship buffs on a lv.1 TR destroying everything Im not sure I could go back... the 30 Resists and damage buffs are amazing at any level.

But I am pretty selective with who i level with, so possibly im not experiencing what your talking about.

[ViolentEnd]

THIS is why I posted this thread.

The same logic should be applied to people joining your guild once you have the higher level. So a guild shouldn't expand anymore once it expands past lv.2 because the origonal members have done more work, and people just joining would have the same benefit for less work.

Main argument for sharing ship buffs is that it helps the party complete a quest more easily, and improving your toon is the same thing, wouldnt you want to help your party out? Isnt that the point in making a good toon... to complete a quest more easily? to have more fun?

but in the end, you worked for it, its yours, do with it what you will. but take into account that sharing is caring.

Can I has sum plat?
... Because you have it and I want it, thats why.

[The_Brave2]

Can I has sum plat?
... Because you have it and I want it, thats why.

Once again, as you are not the first to bring this up, Giving away plat hurts you in some way, throwing a ship invite doesnt. Except for the hookpoint bug.. I can see the point, dont quote this and say what has already been said without reading the rest of it.

If I could give away plat that easily at no cost to me... I would.

[somenewnoob]

Can I has sum plat?
... Because you have it and I want it, thats why.

Ah.....but the use of your ship buffs by somebody else does not reduce your own ability to use them. You have a limited supply of plat, and the use of your plat by somebody reduces your own ability to use that plat. Comparing the two isn't apples to apples.

"Non-rivalry means that consumption of the good by one individual does not reduce availability of the good for consumption by other. "

See, even though I never went to Econ class I still member sumfin!!

(ninja'd somewhat by theBrave.....who is obviously piking at work too!)

[ViolentEnd]

Once again, as you are not the first to bring this up, Giving away plat hurts you in some way, throwing a ship invite doesnt. Except for the hookpoint bug.. I can see the point, dont quote this and say what has already been said without reading the rest of it.

If I could give away plat that easily at no cost to me... I would.

I read the rest of it. And airships and their amenities cost plat and turbine points, in addition to renown. Why would you spend turbine points on an airship, that 5% xp shrine, and/or those crafting alters when someone will? You seem to be under the assumption that all these things are free...