Info needed: Take down order for Shroud portals on each server?

[Mjoll]

I'm mostly interested in the take down order that is used by 99% of the pug groups. Maybe the take down order for powergaming or guild groups but these are not really a priority.





Since I play only on Thelanis here is how Thelanis pugs take down the shroud portals in part 1:

1 - G
2 - H
3 - K
4 - O
5 - N
6 - M
7 - F
8 - A
9 - J
10 - E
11 - L
12 - B
13 - D
14 - C
15 - I

So, how is it done on the other servers?



Edit... All the patterns were found:


G H K O N ___ M F A J E ___ L B D C I (Sarlona)
G H K O N ___ M F A J E ___ L B D C I (Thelanis)

G H K O N ___ M F A B L ___ J D C E I (Ghallanda)

G K H M N ___ O B F A D ___ J L I E C (Cannith)
G K H M N ___ O B F A D ___ J E L I C (Argo)
G K H M N ___ O B D F A ___ J E L I C (Orien)
G K H M N ___ O B D F A ___ J E L I C (Khyber)

[FastTaco]

On Orien every pug I've been in go in this order(except that one time...another story...)
1 - G
2 - K
3 - H
4 - M
5 - N
6 - O
7 - B
8 - D
9 - F
10 - A
11 - J
12 - E
13 - L
14 - I
15 - C

[Vanshilar]

Hmm I'm sure you probably remember the thread still but there were some previous posts about it on the forums that you can search through, although I don't know if anyone's tried to compile a "here's how each server does it" list. I was going to do it somewhere along the line but never got around to it. My understanding is that Orien's order came from Khyber (and/or possibly Ghallanda); there's apparently also some American vs European distinction as well.

It can be shown that the Orien G->K->H order is very slightly faster than the Thelanis G->H->K order, but the difference is very marginal (around 1-2 seconds). The Orien order can actually be improved by around 5 seconds midway through if people went B->A->D->F->J instead, jumping up through the traps to go from B->A. Not likely to be adopted any time soon though.

[t0r012]

Hmm I'm sure you probably remember the thread still but there were some previous posts about it on the forums that you can search through, although I don't know if anyone's tried to compile a "here's how each server does it" list. I was going to do it somewhere along the line but never got around to it. My understanding is that Orien's order came from Khyber (and/or possibly Ghallanda); there's apparently also some American vs European distinction as well.

It can be shown that the Orien G->K->H order is very slightly faster than the Thelanis G->H->K order, but the difference is very marginal (around 1-2 seconds). The Orien order can actually be improved by around 5 seconds midway through if people went B->A->D->F->J instead, jumping up through the traps to go from B->A. Not likely to be adopted any time soon though.

Yeah I have experienced the difference with European groups vs. American groups on T-land. Changed my play schedule after a while and ran with q euro group and ended up looking like a putz. My last couple of runs have been with American leaders again and I keep running it like the euros cause that's what I'm used to.

[RandomKeypress]

On Argo it is always:

G
K
H
M
N
O
B
F
A
D
J
E
L
I
C

Pretty similar to Orien, it seems.

[karl_k0ch]

Talking about Orien and European groups, and only a side note and not a try to derail in any way: Our European roots have granted us ancient portal order customs, in particular G-K-H-O-N-M, which creates a lot of confusion if we have puggers in our run. But not going H -> M seems to be an exception, at least outside our guild.

[Forzah]

I run my own pattern, sometimes join up with the big group, sometimes run ahead. But it's always something like this:

G-K-N-M-F-A-L-B-D-I

If 2 competent players follow me, we will be done a lot quicker in total than all running in the same direction. But yea,... most of you think that everybody doing the same thing is optimal. I'll tell you a secret, it's NOT. If you all run together, you spend a LOT more time on running and LESS on beating portals. However, no-one seems to quite get it

[gDra]

The pattern used on Cannith is

G K H M N O B F A D J L I E C

It would be interesting to time the different routes after a completion.

Also...
I'm curious about the spawn order of the portals and if it could be included into the map (with colors maybe)
I know G spawns KH, KH spawns MNO.

[RandomKeypress]

I believe it's something like:

G spawns KH
KH spawn MO
M spawns N
O spawns B
N spawns F
B spawns D (and A?)
F spawns L
A spawns J
D spawns E (??)
J spawns I
L spawns C

Really not sure about that, but it should be something roughly like that.

[RTN]

I think you'll find this thread from the Thelanis forum interesting:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=326585

[ckorik]

1 - G
2 - H
3 - K
4 - O
5 - N
6 - M
7 - F
8 - A
9 - J
10 - E
11 - L
12 - B
13 - D
14 - C
15 - I

So, how is it done on the other servers?

Your order is the same 99% of PUG groups do the portals on Sarlona.

[Mjoll]

I know about the old threads but they don't have all the info I need and I prefered not to necro them.

To resume:

G H K O N ___ M F A J E ___ L B D C I (Sarlona)

G H K O N ___ M F A J E ___ L B D C I (Thelanis)



? ? ? (Khyber)

? ? ? (Ghallanda)



G K H M N ___ O B F A D ___ J E L I C (Argo)

G K H M N ___ O B F A D ___ J L I E C (Cannith)

G K H M N ___ O B D F A ___ J E L I C (Orien)



So there are 2 'schools of thought' so far, Sarlona/Thelanis on one side and Argo/Orien/Cannith on the other side, with the only patterns missing being the ones from Khyber and Ghallanda.

And now I'm also curious about the spawning order of the portals. So far I have RandomKeypress' post and Shade's post but I'd need double or even triple confirmation for them before going further.

[Vanshilar]

So there are 2 'schools of thought' so far, Sarlona/Thelanis on one side and Argo/Orien/Cannith on the other side, with the only patterns missing being the ones from Khyber and Ghallanda.

And now I'm also curious about the spawning order of the portals. So far I have RandomKeypress' post and Shade's post but I'd need double or even triple confirmation for them before going further.

The one you'd want to use is probably this one:

Thats the same route is used on Sarlona.

When you break portal 1 it opens up potals 2 and 3.
When you break portals 2 and 3 it opens up portals 4/5/6
After breaking portals 4-6 it opens portals 7/8/12
Breaking portal 7 opens portal 11
Breaking portal 8 opens portal 9
Breaking portal 9 opens portal 10
Breaking portal 11 opens portal 14
Breaking portal 12 opens portal 13
And breaking portal 13 opens up portal 15

With your map it is:
G -> HK
HK -> MNO
MNO -> ABF
A -> J
B -> D
F -> L
J -> E
D -> I
L -> C

Far as I've been able to tell, these are the correct rules regarding how they spawn.

[Zillee]

On Orien every pug I've been in go in this order(except that one time...another story...)
1 - G
2 - K
3 - H
4 - M
5 - N
6 - O
7 - B
8 - D
9 - F
10 - A
11 - J
12 - E
13 - L
14 - I
15 - C

This tends to be the pattern on Khyber for PUGs.

[Mjoll]

And with that I'm down to just one pattern missing, the one for Ghallanda. Thanks for all the information.

The one you'd want to use is probably this one:



With your map it is:
G -> HK
HK -> MNO
MNO -> ABF
A -> J
B -> D
F -> L
J -> E
D -> I
L -> C

Far as I've been able to tell, these are the correct rules regarding how they spawn.

Cool, that seems to be the right order. During my last Shroud run I payed more attention to the spawning order and I can partially confirm that that is the correct pattern. This is how the spawning order looks like on the map, with Teletubbies colors:

[Eme]

if you have rangers in party with some nice bows, going from G to H-K, because they can manyshot both portals at same time from H,
also B to D-C they can manyshot both portals from D

this way you can take 4 portals out in the time it takes to do 2

[Lehmu]

If you all run together, you spend a LOT more time on running and LESS on beating portals. However, no-one seems to quite get it

On the other hand, if everyone runs together, everyone's grouped for haste/rage/prayer/songs and everyone gets the DPS benefit when a dark monk or a rogue lands a fortification reduction effect on a portal.

[Mjoll]

if you have rangers in party with some nice bows, going from G to H-K, because they can manyshot both portals at same time from H,
also B to D-C they can manyshot both portals from D

this way you can take 4 portals out in the time it takes to do 2

That's my preferred method too, one manyshot at the beginning of part 1, shooting at K and hitting both H and K and another manyshot at the end of part 1, shooting at C and hitting both D and C.

In between those two I can usually squeeze in a third manyshot, though I only hit one portal with it. When we are using the M -> F -> A pattern (which we do 99% of the time) and the party is done with M and moves to F I skip F and go straight to A. I prefer not to manyshot the same portal as the rest of the party because, if I attack the same portal as they do and the portal goes down in less than 20s, a chunk of my manyshot damage will go to waste.

[Mjoll]

Bump.

I'm still hoping that someone from Ghallanda will share their classified and hush hush pattern for taking down portals or they will confirm that this one is the one used by Ghallanda pugs.

[DIY]

Bump.

I'm still hoping that someone from Ghallanda will share their classified and hush hush pattern for taking down portals or they will confirm that this one is the one used by Ghallanda pugs.

that's it