Twist on The Monster

[Clemeit]

OUTDATED

Looked good in writing so I'm going to give it a try. If this is on the forums already please tell me so I don't look to stupid :P. I'm really new to this kind of stuff and probably missed a lot so bear with me .
I hope I pasted this correctly ahaha
[?]Taking Hunter of the Dead for the healing boost as the pally PrE. Any thoughts?
[?]Level progressions ok or not?
[?]TWF and iTWF are automatically given as a ranger (levels 2 and 6) so I had no need for the dex (unless I wanted to go all the way and go for gTWF, should I?)
[?]Went with NO tomes. Will the build still work out fine?

Edit: I want something with a high AC, but not so high where I need to get rid of anything else. Tank with some ease (not raid tanking). Self healing for solo play. TWF because I already have a barb who swings his large axe all over the place, and even in the Shroud that gets old. Dual longswords, but still centered because of the Whirling Steel Strike (weapon focus: slashing is required). Evasion and high saves so I can run through traps while soloing. HotD for healing amp. Can pull out a bow IF necessary, though I hate bows. So basically a medium paced soloer who can still party. Someone who isn't GREAT at anything, but is 'good' at everything.

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Herobrough 
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(12 Paladin \ 6 Ranger \ 2 Monk ) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 286 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 20
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            17                    10
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               10                    12
Charisma             13                    17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     0
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         2                    15
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                  0                     1
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            2                    24
Jump                  3                    11
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                  0                     3
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   2
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Saves Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion III
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion IV
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II

Anything is welcome, whether the build is great, sucks, or otherwise, so feel free. I don't take offence easily :P

[voodoogroves]

Zeal at pally 14 is a pretty big dps boost ... that's why most don't stop at 12 I think

[Alyiakal]

I was under the impression that the monster was obsolete as of a few updates ago; when Turbine changed how the Tempest PrE worked (previously, the first tier gave an attack speed boost).

At any rate, I'm not sure what you're trying to do with this build, iTWF gets you 60% proc rate on the offhand weapon, which is basically pretty awful for something that is supposed to be primary DPS. You dumped DEX so you can't even get Tempest I if that was ever part of the plan.

The 12 fighter levels that originally came with the build are for Kensai II so the build heaps on the damage. 12 Pally doesn't really do this very well... I'm actually not sure what you are trying to do at all. Please clarify, as the feats are all over the place (OTWF and Shield Mastery? I've also never seen stunning blow on a primary paladin...).

Perhaps you should state what you want a build to do; if it's healing amp you want, the ranger levels do nothing for you, and should be disposed of.

[Arctigis]

Kensai II
Fighter Haste Boost IV
Fighter Strength III
Feats (e.g. Weapon Specialization, Greater Weapon Specialization)

As above, I'm not sure what you're tying to achieve? An S&B intimi tank with healing amp using Divine Righteousness?

I still use my monster a lot - it's still lots of fun.

[Clemeit]

Well to be honest I don't know exactly what I want to do I want something with a high AC, but not so high where I need to get rid of anything else. Tank with some ease (not raid tanking). Self healing for solo play. TWF because I already have a barb who swings his large axe all over the place, and even in the Shroud that gets old. Dual longswords, but still centered because of the Whirling Steel Strike (weapon focus: slashing is required). Evasion and high saves so I can run through traps while soloing. HotD for healing amp. Can pull out a bow IF necessary, though I hate bows. So basically a medium paced soloer who can still party. Someone who isn't GREAT at anything, but is 'ok' at everything.

[Clemeit]

Zeal at pally 14 is a pretty big dps boost ... that's why most don't stop at 12 I think

I shall definitely take that into consideration. I wasn't aware of it before. (I've never played a pally)

[Balkas]

I don't think Tempest I is worth splashing 3 feats for anymore.

If you want to use Longswords, check out some of the builds in this thread: Quest for the Best Whirling Steel Strike Build.

[Clemeit]

I was under the impression that the monster was obsolete as of a few updates ago; when Turbine changed how the Tempest PrE worked (previously, the first tier gave an attack speed boost).

At any rate, I'm not sure what you're trying to do with this build, iTWF gets you 60% proc rate on the offhand weapon, which is basically pretty awful for something that is supposed to be primary DPS. You dumped DEX so you can't even get Tempest I if that was ever part of the plan.

The 12 fighter levels that originally came with the build are for Kensai II so the build heaps on the damage. 12 Pally doesn't really do this very well... I'm actually not sure what you are trying to do at all. Please clarify, as the feats are all over the place (OTWF and Shield Mastery? I've also never seen stunning blow on a primary paladin...).

Perhaps you should state what you want a build to do; if it's healing amp you want, the ranger levels do nothing for you, and should be disposed of.

TWF and iTWF were given automatically as a ranger so I didn't use up feats on those. Don't want to go for Tempest, last I checked it needed quite a lot of feats I wasn't willing to take.
[?]Is oTWF required to use dual longswords? If so, that's why I took it, if not then I'll drop it.
Planning on dual longswords while staying centered (Whirling Steel Strike) and Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons is need to get that.

[Clemeit]

I don't think Tempest I is worth splashing 3 feats for anymore.

If you want to use Longswords, check out some of the builds in this thread: Quest for the Best Whirling Steel Strike Build.

Cool thanks for the link. I will consider rerolling and replacing the pally levels with fighter. Though I'm quite fond of paladins for their healing amps, LoH, immunities, and saves (all of which go well with monk, I love my evasion pally). But as for the healing, that's nothing a few silver flame pots can't fix I guess. And I think fighter might be better suited for what I'm looking for.

[Thrudh]

I was under the impression that the monster was obsolete as of a few updates ago; when Turbine changed how the Tempest PrE worked (previously, the first tier gave an attack speed boost).

Heh, obsolete is funny word... If you mean, the Monster went from near-top DPS to "only" 90% max DPS while maintaining all it's flexibility and survivability, then yeah I guess it's obsolete.

I'll take the favored enemies, ranged ability, sneak ability, and ton of free feats over the extra DPS you get from raging with a 6 barbarian splash instead.

At any rate, I'm not sure what you're trying to do with this build, iTWF gets you 60% proc rate on the offhand weapon, which is basically pretty awful for something that is supposed to be primary DPS. You dumped DEX so you can't even get Tempest I if that was ever part of the plan.

The 12 fighter levels that originally came with the build are for Kensai II so the build heaps on the damage. 12 Pally doesn't really do this very well... I'm actually not sure what you are trying to do at all. Please clarify, as the feats are all over the place (OTWF and Shield Mastery? I've also never seen stunning blow on a primary paladin...).

Perhaps you should state what you want a build to do; if it's healing amp you want, the ranger levels do nothing for you, and should be disposed of.

Good breakdown of this particular build though... I'm not sure what he's trying to do either... No GTWF? Shield mastery?? What's is the point of the paladin levels? 12 fighter levels offers some pretty solid DPS or AC (Kensai or Stalwart Defender) and a ton of feats.

What are you getting from the Paladin levels?

[Thrudh]

Well to be honest I don't know exactly what I want to do I want something with a high AC, but not so high where I need to get rid of anything else. Tank with some ease (not raid tanking). Self healing for solo play. TWF because I already have a barb who swings his large axe all over the place, and even in the Shroud that gets old. Dual longswords, but still centered because of the Whirling Steel Strike (weapon focus: slashing is required). Evasion and high saves so I can run through traps while soloing. HotD for healing amp. Can pull out a bow IF necessary, though I hate bows. So basically a medium paced soloer who can still party. Someone who isn't GREAT at anything, but is 'good' at everything.

The old standard monster is EXACTLY what you want...

High AC easy to get, TWF with Haste Boost and Kensai is solid DPS. Tons of feats so you can get Whirling Steel Strike without gimping yourself. Don't dump Dex and evasion is solid. Forget Healing amp, but you have so many feats on a standard Monster build, you could go halfling and afford the 3 Dragonmark healing feats plus Maximize.

A halfling 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk with the healing dragonmarks is the ultimate "Jack of all Trades"...

[Thrudh]

Another option for you might be a 12/6/2 fighter/paladin/monk or just 12/8 fighter/monk...

[grodon9999]

Take the "classic" monster build and go half-elf with the rogue dilly. You've just become a very high DPS build.

[Mister_Peace]

Well to be honest I don't know exactly what I want to do

then please don't post a build

[Clemeit]

then please don't post a build

Please don't make posts that are out of context. I go on to say what I want to do.

[Clemeit]

The old standard monster is EXACTLY what you want...

High AC easy to get, TWF with Haste Boost and Kensai is solid DPS. Tons of feats so you can get Whirling Steel Strike without gimping yourself. Don't dump Dex and evasion is solid. Forget Healing amp, but you have so many feats on a standard Monster build, you could go halfling and afford the 3 Dragonmark healing feats plus Maximize.

A halfling 12/6/2 fighter/ranger/monk with the healing dragonmarks is the ultimate "Jack of all Trades"...

Well I checked out the Monster a bit more thoroughly and I guess your right That is what I want. Much thanks to you and everyone else that commented. All suggestions were taken into account. And I'm looking forward to the monster build, as well as my build with some tweaks. +1 all

[Arctigis]

Heh, obsolete is funny word... If you mean, the Monster went from near-top DPS to "only" 90% max DPS while maintaining all it's flexibility and survivability, then yeah I guess it's obsolete.

I'll take the favored enemies, ranged ability, sneak ability, and ton of free feats over the extra DPS you get from raging with a 6 barbarian splash instead.

This. The utility you get from 6 Ranger levels is huge IMO. Tempest I may now be debatable (I still keep it) but
there's a lot of other good stuff in addition to what Thrudh has listed; notably Rams Might - equivalent to + 3
damage and Manyshot.

Anecdotally, I have a TWF Arcane Warrior and Monster (with Rogue rather than Monk splash; don't care about
AC and wanted UMD). The Monster rips the Arcane Warrior a new one (similarly geared btw) in terms of weapon
DPS - 10 charges of Fighter Haste Boost IV beats virtually anything IMO . Of course he can't haste/displace/reconstruct/Niac's etc.