Is there some reason why the reward for my hard work is 'stealable'?

[Bradik_Losdar]

I can see why items like the vendor trash that falls out of broken boxes and crates is ninja lootable - it's not worth much to start with and the effort to get such items is practically nil (just zerg by swinging a sword).

On the other hand....

Let's take a look at Soul Gems. To get these ninja lootable items, you either spend a lot of time (and resources!) in the Shroud crafting a top tier item capable of Trap the Soul OR you spend a lot of time and effort leveling a caster to the point where they can use the Trap the Soul spell (not including the time and expense of making the Dragonshard spell component required for EACH casting).

So how is it that after all that work and expense to have the ability to get Soul Gems I have absolutely no right to keep my hard earned work? These stupid things fall on the ground and unless I abandon all other efforts (or commit to solo farming in this group based game) during combat to pick the **** things up immediately - and sometimes that isn't even fast enough - I end up losing a good number of them to yahoos that feel that they have equal rights to them?

Heck even with crate trash there is a little honor among thieves, most people will let the breaker take what falls out....

So how is it that something I have put a great deal of effort into obtaining doesn't drop into my inventory automatically? I worked very hard to get it - why is it stealable!?!?!

[somenewnoob]

You may want to be more selective in the people you group with if a quick "Don't pick up my soul gems" doesn't do the trick.

But it is kind of bs that anybody can pick one up, be better if they just went right to inventory IMO.

[Postumus]

You may want to be more selective in the people you group with if a quick "Don't pick up my soul gems" doesn't do the trick.

But it is kind of bs that anybody can pick one up, be better if they just went right to inventory IMO.

Yeah, In my experience I would think this simple statement would work for 95% of the people out there.

If it doesn't, just stop making soul gems and drop or boot them at the first opportunity.

[TheDjinnFor]

So how is it that something I have put a great deal of effort into obtaining doesn't drop into my inventory automatically? I worked very hard to get it - why is it stealable!?!?!

It's sad but it's true: it worked that way because nobody cared.

For the longest time the soul gems were nigh-useless, so it wasn't high on the dev to-do list. Then people started suggesting their use in crafting pending a revamp to the drop mechanic... and the devs decided to add them to crafting without revamping the drop mechanic.

I'm expecting to see a change in U11/U12 now that it's more important to revamp the mechanics.

[Gkar]

It's sad but it's true: it worked that way because nobody cared.

For the longest time the soul gems were nigh-useless, so it wasn't high on the dev to-do list. Then people started suggesting their use in crafting pending a revamp to the drop mechanic... and the devs decided to add them to crafting without revamping the drop mechanic.

I'm expecting to see a change in U11/U12 now that it's more important to revamp the mechanics.

Yeah, I think you have it right. In the beginning, when the stones had no value, the flavor of the ground littered with soul stones was kind of nice. Now that is no longer the case.

We already know from epic scrolls that they can make dropped items go directly to your backpack, so there is no reason why the stones shouldn't go right into inventory now.

[Ungood]

It's sad but it's true: it worked that way because nobody cared.

For the longest time the soul gems were nigh-useless, so it wasn't high on the dev to-do list. Then people started suggesting their use in crafting pending a revamp to the drop mechanic... and the devs decided to add them to crafting without revamping the drop mechanic.

I'm expecting to see a change in U11/U12 now that it's more important to revamp the mechanics.

I'd say this makes the most sense.(To me at least)

Lets Hope it is on the To-Do list for Turbine.

As for what you can do now, My I suggest just asking the group to not pick up the soul gems you make, or perhaps, not use the spell in a group that will not respect your wishes.

[Oolung]

one thing i sometimes do when a caster is complaining of ninja looters is send him a tell saying that ill pick up his soul gems and toss them to him at the end of the quest, ninja up as many as i can, and open up the trade window before recalling, and give him them all, sometimes they even let me keep a few for doing so

[Missing_Minds]

So how is it that something I have put a great deal of effort into obtaining doesn't drop into my inventory automatically? I worked very hard to get it - why is it stealable!?!?!

If it makes you feel better, the devs have finally acknowledged that it is an issue that needs to be looked at.

[Bradik_Losdar]

If it makes you feel better, the devs have finally acknowledged that it is an issue that needs to be looked at.

They have?

Where?

[PNellesen]

If it makes you feel better, the devs have finally acknowledged that it is an issue that needs to be looked at.

Cool. I remember the first time I ever saw one, I had no idea what it was and since it dropped right after a monster I was fighting was killed, I thought it was something like a Treasure Bag and picked it up. I was then politely informed that it was someone else's (and why), and I gave it to them and apologized, and felt like a fool in the process. Hope they fix it reasonably soon, especially now that they're used for Cannith Crafting.

[Memnir]

why is it stealable!?!?!

Very poor decision making and game design choices coupled with a glacial pace at addressing problems like this.

[Xionanx]

Very poor decision making and game design choices coupled with a glacial pace at addressing problems like this.

99% of the problems with DDO can be explained with that statement.

Sometimes I wonder if Turbine would be willing sell DDO as I would LOVE to take it over and fix a lot of the ********

[kaleid0star]

99% of the problems with DDO can be explained with that statement.

Sometimes I wonder if Turbine would be willing sell DDO as I would LOVE to take it over and fix a lot of the ********

Not really, 99% of time just grab a caster and solo farm those gems, seriously its not that hard

[Xionanx]

Not really, 99% of time just grab a caster and solo farm those gems, seriously its not that hard

How does that have anything to do with what I quoted?

[Dawnsfire]

So how is it that something I have put a great deal of effort into obtaining doesn't drop into my inventory automatically? I worked very hard to get it - why is it stealable!?!?!

The Devs have hinted that they may change the way that works:

Now that they are becoming valuable there's a few unfriendly things about them that we should consider, that being one of them. Thanks.

Whether there will be any follow through?

[puget]

The Devs have hinted that they may change the way that works:



Whether there will be any follow through?

Well, That same guy in the crafting changes 10.1 thread was also making it clear he wanted to keep crafting a viable thing for casual players to access and use. If I remember right, he was pretty clear on making sure casuals and F2P's and premiums could get full use of it.


Look where it is now, more people have walked away since 10.2 than have gone back to it.

[JOTMON]

I would love to see the soul gems be like the docent in POP.
They pick it up and it kills them.
Raise them.. they go for the gem and die again....

[jcTharin]

I would love to see the soul gems be like the docent in POP.
They pick it up and it kills them.
Raise them.. they go for the gem and die again....

reminds me of my first pop run

[puget]

I would love to see the soul gems be like the docent in POP.
They pick it up and it kills them.
Raise them.. they go for the gem and die again....

ROFL. I had to actually try that too. just to see what would happen (read the warning about it on ddowiki)

Did that quest maybe 10 times and just followed the rules, but the last time I could not resist, lol.

[Sarisa]

ROFL. I had to actually try that too. just to see what would happen (read the warning about it on ddowiki)

Did that quest maybe 10 times and just followed the rules, but the last time I could not resist, lol.

I did it once on just a pure favour run to see if Divine Intervention protected me. It did not.