Build Request for TWF Dwarf

[Meeky]

Hi all,

I would like to TR my TWF Dwarf fighter in to a FVS and was hoping to see if:

a) This build is viable
b) A help with the build


N.B will be a 34 pt build I have access to all +2 tomes and would expect to add +3 at some point. I have 2 x Min 2 Dw axes that I would like to keep hence the build. Other kit I may have but really interested in seeing a build & maybe some kits suggestions.

Thank you in advance for your time!

Meek

[earlran]

Splash 1 or 2 levels of fighter...voila martial weapon prof (dwarven axes for dwarf) 1 or 2 extra feats, etc. Use those 1 or 2 extra feats for toughness or power attack!

With 2 levels of fighter you get:

Martial weapon prof, 2 extra feats, 2 BAB, and a bit higher hp.

So if dwarf 34pt...get: 16 str, 15 dex (+2 tome qualifies for GTWF), 16 con, 10 int, 10 wis, 12 cha.

Levelups in strength

You have 9 feats to burn, you want to qualify for AoV so:

Power attack, toughness, maximize spell, quicken, empower spell, improved critical slashing (debatable since you will be using Min2 mostly, I recommend switching with empower healing), TWF, iTWF, gTWF.

Choose TWF and Power attack as your class feats for fighter levels. Fit in the rest whenever.

The result? A -VERY- sturdy dwarf with high hp, decent damage, and a great melee soul.

[tgu]

Hi all,

I would like to TR my TWF Dwarf fighter in to a FVS and was hoping to see if:

a) This build is viable
b) A help with the build


N.B will be a 34 pt build I have access to all +2 tomes and would expect to add +3 at some point. I have 2 x Min 2 Dw axes that I would like to keep hence the build. Other kit I may have but really interested in seeing a build & maybe some kits suggestions.

Thank you in advance for your time!

Meek

A. What is the purpose of your TWF Dwarf build? Is it damage + durable/hardy? If so, Warforged get EXCELLENT synergy with greatswords (great +dmg/+hit), dwarf you won't make use of axes (swords are the sov. host line).

1. Is the build viable? No.

If you don't have warforged/don't want WF, there are still better alternatives. I personally believe even an elf or human TWF are better builds, as they make use of the Favored Soul faith weapon lines (elf = scimitar, human = longswords).

Turbine has yet to give dwarfs an axe line, and Half-orc an axe and/or maul line.

2. My help to you is pick WF for being dmg + survival, pick Human for longswords and the feat, pick Half-elf/elf for scimitar, or scrap the idea completely - roll up a Battlecleric who can be a strong TWF dwarf. The dwarf will will be quite a bit behind the other choices as FvS benefit greatly from weapon lines.

[JohnnyDangerously]

I am currently running a thf dwarf 18/2 fvs/fighter. Imo dwarves make great fvs melees. Fighter splash helps out alot with feats. The axe damage enhancements make this a great build. You will enjoy it.

[Mubjon]

A. What is the purpose of your TWF Dwarf build? Is it damage + durable/hardy? If so, Warforged get EXCELLENT synergy with greatswords (great +dmg/+hit), dwarf you won't make use of axes (swords are the sov. host line).

1. Is the build viable? No.

If you don't have warforged/don't want WF, there are still better alternatives. I personally believe even an elf or human TWF are better builds, as they make use of the Favored Soul faith weapon lines (elf = scimitar, human = longswords).

Turbine has yet to give dwarfs an axe line, and Half-orc an axe and/or maul line.

2. My help to you is pick WF for being dmg + survival, pick Human for longswords and the feat, pick Half-elf/elf for scimitar, or scrap the idea completely - roll up a Battlecleric who can be a strong TWF dwarf. The dwarf will will be quite a bit behind the other choices as FvS benefit greatly from weapon lines.

If you TR do you get to choose a different race? If not then your advice will not help him at all.

[karl_k0ch]

If you TR do you get to choose a different race?

Yes, you do. All which is kept through a TR, is the name and the gender. And the items and past lives, of course.

[unbongwah]

Normally I'd suggest the classic FvS 18 / monk 2 combo, except you'd have to burn a feat on DAxe since you don't get the prof. otherwise. Other alternatives are FvS 18 / ftr 2 (lose Evasion & WIS AC bonus but gain DAxe free saving a feat) or FvS 18 / monk 2 / ftr 1 (lose lvl 9 spells but gain an extra feat).

Really, though, it depends on what you want to be able to do: melee DPS? Buff? Heal? Offensive spells? Etc.

[unbongwah]

Hasty first draft:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.09.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 377
Spell Points: 1644 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 17
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting (swap for Power Attack later)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell (or Empower Healing)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

For spells focus on heals, buffs, and light spells (which have no saves). Like I said, going ftr instead of monk would let you drop DAxe prof. for another feat (probably a meta), but you lose Evasion (and WIS AC bonus, but this is not an AC build). Going monk 2 / ftr 1 means giving up lvl 9 spells (no Mass Heal for you), but gain two feats (ftr bonus + drop DAxes prof) while keeping Evasion.

[Mubjon]

Yes, you do. All which is kept through a TR, is the name and the gender. And the items and past lives, of course.

Ahh cool, I am not sure I will ever TR but good to know.

[Meeky]

Thank you to everyone that has helped so far I will take all these points on board and more comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[Meeky]

Also any suggestions for kit?

[Emizand]

or FvS 18 / monk 2 / ftr 1 (lose lvl 9 spells but gain an extra feat).

Yay, they have raised the cap. ;-)

[Meeky]

Ok have run this in to the planner and would appreciate feedback, spells based on lvl 20 seclection.
Plan to have +6 con gfl belt. +7 str gloves, +6 chr tod ring (+1/+2 str)
A concord opposition sp item & GS HP item.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 346
Spell Points: 1698 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 14
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         16                    21
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     7
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         3                    27
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  7                    19
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   4
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Shimmering Arrowhead \par Ethereal Bracers \par Knost's Belt \par Warchanter's Band \par Feather Falling Boots of Balance \par  \par Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Silver Flame


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Favored Soul)


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Silver Flame Exorcism
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[earlran]

Looks good to me, however there is little point in having a cha score of 14, reduce it to 12, and pump up int for more skill points!

Other than that looks fine!

[unbongwah]

You don't need so much CHA: base 12 + 2 tome + 6 item and you're golden. That would also let you drop the CHA enhs for, say, Axe dmg II. I would probably delay the 2nd ftr lvl; you don't need PA right away and your spell progression is a little quicker that way. If you plan to use Min2 DAxes exclusively, you can drop IC Slash; that would let you add, say, Emp Heal instead.