Question about UMD

[Clawkin]

I really want to try a superior soul but the only thing about skill points is "max concentration and UMD" I have no idea how many points that is in each skill. In the character planner I never seem to be able to hit even 20 UMD total mod so that I can use chaotic weapons. At what point do I stop putting points into Concentration and begin filling out UMD? Is it even possible to get a high enough UMD if i use a race other than human?

[Uchuujin-San]

it's possible but means you need 10 base int so you get the full 2pts per lvl and some gear investment. UMD is not a class skill so the max you can put into it per lvl is 1 skill point for .5 of a rank. the max ranks you can have is 11.5 (but since .5 of a rank is useless you can put that point into something else.


rough breakdown:

11 base rank
6 Green steel
4 GH
3 cartouche/bunny hat
2 Good luck
5 from 20 charisma

31 with relatively easy to get stuff and buffs. grind a bit more and bump some cha and you could get close to 40

[Clawkin]

Thank you +1 rep for sure

[Isharah]

11 base rank
6 Green steel
4 GH
3 cartouche/bunny hat
2 Good luck

2 command
3 epic spyglass from the pirate festival

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31 plus your Cha modifier

With 28 charisma (buffed) you can get 40 UMD.

[Sarisa]

My Cleric (which would be similar to your FvS) runs at:

Standing:
11 Ranks
5 Greensteel (I didn't go with the useless Wizardry 6 bonus, so I lost 1 exceptional CHA skills bonus)
2 Good Luck
5 CHA mod for having 20 CHA (10 base + 3 tome + 7 item)
2 Command item (Epic Ring of the Silver Concord which also provides my 7 CHA)
--
25

This is enough without GH to use an Invisibility scroll, and equip most race and alignment required items.

To further boost this, I can do swaps and buffs such as:
25 Standing
4 Greater Heroism
3 The additional I get from swapping in Seven Fingered Gloves (+5 UMD).*
3 Epic Big Top, or tier 3 Epic Treasurehunter's Spyglass
1 +2 CHA Ship Buff
1 CHA Yugoloth Potion
--
37 UMD

Cartouche, Seven Fingered Gloves, Vile Blasphemy, Command, and Persuasion items all use the same bonus (Competence) type, so they don't stack. The Epic Big Top and tier 3 Spyglass use a different bonus type (Enhancement), so they stack with "standard" UMD items.

Bunny Hat, if I recall, only works on wands and scrolls. It's also a Competence bonus, so it shouldn't stack with other competence items.

You can also temporarily boost it up (say for casting a Greater Teleport) with the Human Versatility Action Boost.

[Iaga]

I was looking at UMD for my soul as well. There's no doubt some useful stuff you can do with a decent UMD score, but, the length of said buffs wasn't very lengthy and i wear metal armor, so ASF was something to consider (unless i pealed off my armor or risked multiple castings)

I always wonder if i should have given it a try, but i decided not to (max conc, 10 in jump, rest in ... can't recall, haggle maybe?)

...it's possible but means you need 10 base int so you get the full 2pts per lvl...

Unless you go human, then you can dump stat INT and still get 2 points per level.

[MindCake]

2 command

Doesn't stack with the cartouche.

[bradleyforrest]

Doesn't stack with the cartouche.

Keep in mind that you can also craft Persuasion on items at a very low level, and that's a +3 bonus, as well. It doesn't stack, but it's another option.