expecting healing of party before quest?

[somenewnoob]

On my Cleric I'd be a little peeved if somebody showed up and needed healing at the start of the quest. Drink some potions for f sake. Same reason I get grumpy when people aren't at full health and refuse to shrine and then be healed later. Cleric sp is a very important resource IMO and should never be wasted.

I'd never show up at a quest with less than max or very near to max health on any of my toons, f, wiz, cl, barb.

It's just poor form IMO.

Even if you wand whip them, why are you wasting my wands instead of drinking your potions?

[Dagolar]

As a long time player of clerics:
If you're at a tavern, resting? Pop an aura. Heal everyone up- better for them, easiest for you, no sweat for anyone.
If you're at a quest? If they've been waiting on you, running slayer, or you're all hurrying into the quest, heck, pop them a heal- again, especially if you have an aura, it's easy to heal everyone up in a short amount of time at the start of the quest, while buffing. Again, it's no sweat to you. If you're a fvs, and it's a difficult at-level or above-level quest, then yes, demand they heal first. Don't focus so much on the need to be a pushover or a jerk, respectively: Just be respectful, and expect other players to do likewise- you heal them where it's easy, and expect them to heal where it's easy for them.
If you're running a below-level quest and you refuse to heal? Well, I hope you like soloing the quest, because, clearly you don't need them to help you.
If someone is a jerk, zerging? Give them warnings, then let them die, good on you. Then drop their stone in the lava or off a cliff. If they're not respectful, you're not left with many other options other than reforming. The game isn't kind in that respect.
But be careful not to be the jerk yourself. Healers have enough trouble with parties in this game without inviting more difficulty onto themselves.

And, in the end, is it really worth the stress and delay to create a conflict?

[Enoach]

I am never concerned about this because:

1. Eternal wand of cure minor wounds
2. Burst/Aura - the turns recharge
3. I'm only concerned with 1 hp on other toons. Thats the only one I'm responsible for

[Rydin_Dirtay]

I let them enter the quest unhealed, then when they take damage in the quest I'll heal them then

That is the best way to do it, that way you are not double-dipping your sp.

[Kershek]

I never understood the "that'll teach em" attitude. This is a co-op party-based game. You use your role to help the party achieve your goal. Why create conflict by refusing to perform your role? If you're worried about sp, kindly comment that they can use pots initially and you'll heal them during the quest. When people are belligerent in-game, as long as you stay civil and helpful it will only make them look foolish and will encourage them to change their ways. Stay positive and have fun

[somenewnoob]

I never understood the "that'll teach em" attitude. This is a co-op party-based game. You use your role to help the party achieve your goal. Why create conflict by refusing to perform your role? If you're worried about sp, kindly comment that they can use pots initially and you'll heal them during the quest. When people are belligerent in-game, as long as you stay civil and helpful it will only make them look foolish and will encourage them to change their ways. Stay positive and have fun

And on my melee's as part of my role to help my party achieve it's goal......I SHOW UP WITH FULL HEALTH!!

[Corwinsky]

If the healer is a cleric level 8/12+ then it's better to come not at full health so we can start quest faster (instead of waiting for him to regen at tavern) because there's indeed no cost for the healer with the burst/aura skill.
As some others have mentioned I like to pop my aura at quest entrance anyway just to see the different heal amps others have on them.

I'm more bothered by people playing pvp in a tavern until last spot is filled and then we have to wait for them 5 more mn because they now have to get their ship buffs.

[Battlehawke]

I usually ask if my screen is "bugged" because their health bar looks empty (this sometimes really happens). Then dependant on their response...

[Aashrym]

It depends on the level of my healer, my willingingness to use resources at that time, and if I am willing to wait for them to heal or not.

I would appreciate a request before they hit the instance asking if it's okay.

But generally I have wands on lower level healers, most players do have their own out of combat healing to use (it is out of combat entering the instance), and I can afford to scroll it on higher level characters.

Running a capped spellsinger or radiant servant and I wouldn't think twice about casting and SP regen or RS aura and let the turn regen. Either of those class PrE's should have no concerns with the actual resources used at higher levels.

That gets back to the courtesy of asking if it's okay tho. I take more offense to assumption and demand than I have an issue actually doing it.

[voodoogroves]

If it's post-heal and definitely post-mass-heal and isn't a quest that's going to be super SP stressfull, I'll heal everyone at the entrance. Saves time and frustration.

[Rawrargh]

This sounds like coal chamber... Just whip that wand a couple of times before you get started

[KillEveryone]

If there is a shrine near and I haven't used it, I'll toss them a heal.

If the quest has plenty of shrines, I don't mind.

If I used the nearby shrine already and/or the quest has one shrine, they can drink pots.

If they expect me to wand or scroll them before the quest, they can hand me a wand or scroll to use before the quest. I don't mind using resources in the quest but if you show up with very little red, you really should drink a pot.

Shroud cases is different with the /death transport.

[Kershek]

Also, if you heal them right outside the entrance before you start (generally when waiting for others to arrive), your sp will come back right away and they don't have to worry about using pots. Obvious, but thought I'd mention it.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

The "common problem" is that most players take zero responsibility for their own HP.

They refuse to use their own pots...even if they carry them at all.

Don't believe me? Go pay attention to the red bars during part 3 of the Shroud.
People will run through blades until they die. Or until they reach the center and get healed by a cleric. Not a single player will use their own pots as they get hit by the blades.....ever.

I've also seen Epics fail because the Cleric died. No one could res. And they slowly....ever so slowly...whittled away til they died.
For the sole reason that they did not carry a single healing pot of their own.

[The_Brave2]

you're a healer, you heal. get over it. how hard is it to throw a mass heal when you hop in the quest. im tired of healers QQing about their class choice, if you don't like it try playing a mele and having to put up with people like you.
and no, im not some barbarian fanatic with no self heaing, all of my toons are self sufficient it just bothers me that people QQ about healing so much.


Yea yea, i get it, people should be healed up before they enter a quest, sure, but it doesn't mean you don't heal them if they aren't.

[Aashrym]

you're a healer, you heal. get over it. how hard is it to throw a mass heal when you hop in the quest. im tired of healers QQing about their class choice, if you don't like it try playing a mele and having to put up with people like you.
and no, im not some barbarian fanatic with no self heaing, all of my toons are self sufficient it just bothers me that people QQ about healing so much.


Yea yea, i get it, people should be healed up before they enter a quest, sure, but it doesn't mean you don't heal them if they aren't.

What if I'm an evoker build imploding with a high success rate and you just think I'm a healer because of your decision to decide how I build my character? You are still responsible for keeping yourself alive too.

Not that I quibble about healing, but you might want to check first. I see LFM's up by FvS's looking for healers.

Don't let your preconceptions interfere with your choices or personal responsibility. Healing resources are more finite for some builds capable of healing than others and healing is never the only contribution to consider.

[Zendaria]

I deleted my Cleric.

I got tired of everyone automatically assuming (ass-u-me'ing) that my only job was to be everyone's buff bot and constantly heal everyone every ssecond (even if I'm getting beat on) and then bwitch at me because someone one died, even after I ran out od spell points (potions people! Look into it!) What would you do if this was real AD&D and the cleric only got 4 to 8 heals max!

People who go into a dungeon or encounter should be able to take care of themselves if the cleric is getting beat on or otherwise engaged. Or wearing insufficient armour so the cleric is constantly healing them.

I'm so glad I'm back to my Ranger/Rogue, I don't mind everyone expecting me to use a bow and find/disable traps and doors.

[The_Brave2]

What if I'm an evoker build imploding with a high success rate and you just think I'm a healer because of your decision to decide how I build my character? You are still responsible for keeping yourself alive too.

Not that I quibble about healing, but you might want to check first. I see LFM's up by FvS's looking for healers.

Don't let your preconceptions interfere with your choices or personal responsibility. Healing resources are more finite for some builds capable of healing than others and healing is never the only contribution to consider.

no matter what Cleric/FVS of 18th level or higher, 17 for cleric are healers first and anything else second.

I personally have a mele WF FVS, not only do i heal but i contribute by meleing also, so you cant use the 'im not just a healer excuse' you primary job is still to heal.

I also have an evoker based human FVS and I know how deadly they can be.

lol don't say it was my decision how to build your character, you picked a healing class, you should live up to it.

im not saying that the 12FVS/blah blah should be healing, just the people who actually made healers.

[The_Brave2]

I deleted my Cleric.

I got tired of everyone automatically assuming (ass-u-me'ing) that my only job was to be everyone's buff bot and constantly heal everyone every ssecond (even if I'm getting beat on) and then bwitch at me because someone one died, even after I ran out od spell points (potions people! Look into it!) What would you do if this was real AD&D and the cleric only got 4 to 8 heals max!

People who go into a dungeon or encounter should be able to take care of themselves if the cleric is getting beat on or otherwise engaged. Or wearing insufficient armour so the cleric is constantly healing them.

I'm so glad I'm back to my Ranger/Rogue, I don't mind everyone expecting me to use a bow and find/disable traps and doors.

so.. you rolled a cleric and people expected you to heal? weird.
although to a certain point I do agree, if people are being stupid in a run I wont heal them. but to a point unless you are building a battle cleric you shouldnt be on the front lines getting beat on, earlier today I ran with a capped cleric that thought he could sword and board mele and was complaining about hitting 0's on the boss in a epic quest. dont make your build plans after you roll the toon. you shouln't have to chug SP pots to keep everyone healed up, if you are having to do that in just normal quests, epics or not, you are running with the wrong people.

[Aashrym]

no matter what Cleric/FVS of 18th level or higher, 17 for cleric are healers first and anything else second.

I personally have a mele WF FVS, not only do i heal but i contribute by meleing also, so you cant use the 'im not just a healer excuse' you primary job is still to heal.

I also have an evoker based human FVS and I know how deadly they can be.

lol don't say it was my decision how to build your character, you picked a healing class, you should live up to it.

im not saying that the 12FVS/blah blah should be healing, just the people who actually made healers.

I don't disagree that the primary purpose is to heal. If a player isn't concerned about is own health going into the quest he shouldn't feel that someone else should take responsibility for his character when he demonstrates he is unwilling to do that himself.

I'll gladly tell a cleric that I expect him to heal because I can guarantee he is capable and the class is obviously designed for it. But jumping into a quest and saying 'healz plz' doesn't show that player any respect and we would be treating them like servant at that point. That's just poor form.

All players should be taking responsibility for there own characters instead of making a demand like that.

A high level RS or spellsinger would have no issues recovering the resources. A virt can even pop out a top up song with no issues. That doesn't make the attitude displayed by the character coming in with low health and high expectations any more team oriented. That's just as bad as a healer who refuses to heal during combat.