expecting healing of party before quest?

[The_Brave2]

if healing some1 at the start of a quest is forcing you to use pots in that quest, you are playing your healer incorrectly.

Granted, ALL mele should carry pots while leveling, I agree. But using even 1 pot in a non raid, non epic quest is unacceptable and u should find a different party.

[Vellrad]

OR..a Healer could heal.

I dont see a problem here, its not like its taking all of your sp before the quest starts in something like coal chamber that is long, most quests its not going to matter either way, I dont understand why Healers think they are so high and mighty that they cant throw you a heal when you are low on health, if they are low on health, there is a reason, I mean seriously, can you think of an instance to which a person would have less than full hp upon entering a quest that doesnt warrant a heal? Falling damage? 40 points, heal em later.

Can anyone think of a unacceptable instance where asking for a heal is so rude and unacceptable that it over-rites a HEALER HEALING? I mean seriously come on people.

Return to delera's tomb?
If I would be on healer I would laugh guy wanting heal there!

But more seriously, if someone got 90% or even 50% HP before quest starts, he will probably get healed by first mass cure in first fight.
And why he won't drink CSW pot, while others are buffing?

BTW, that pvp healing is quite good way after party wipe. ^^

[The_Brave2]

Alright wait a second, it could be that I am misunderstanding some of what people are posting, my interpretation of this was that the healer was refusing to heal some1 because they showed up to the quest without full hp... aslong as that person is getting a heal, at the point where he needs one, say hes at 60% and u wait untill he is 40% to heal him, thats fine.

Also that little tidbit about deleras, a Firewall/scorch/fireball casting wiz/sorc is still going to destroy those quests more than your heals will, granted the burst is nice from RS, but that doesnt take SP so your argument is invalid.

When a cleric/FVS gets blade-barrier they can solo baisicly anything, so why are you inviting gimps into your party that you have to heal anywase?

[BitkaCK2]

Is it right to expect cleric types to heal up party that gets damaged before quest? Especially when the quest has only one shrine in it!

I can understand if party (party that the cleric type has been with) is and has been working slayers before the quest to expect healing, that is fine.

Use EternalWand Cure Minor Wounds. If they kvetch and moan just tell them that if they can't even get to the quest without taking damage you will need every SP you have to keep them alive during the quest.

bitkaCK2

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Also that little tidbit about deleras, a Firewall/scorch/fireball casting wiz/sorc is still going to destroy those quests more than your heals will, granted the burst is nice from RS, but that doesnt take SP so your argument is invalid.
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I believe the part of the chain he was referring to is the part where you return to the tomb just to talk to Delera and advance the chain to "Thrall of the Necromancer". *grumble grumble* Stupid Carnifex...

[KillEveryone]

OR..a Healer could heal.

I dont see a problem here, its not like its taking all of your sp before the quest starts in something like coal chamber that is long, most quests its not going to matter either way, I dont understand why Healers think they are so high and mighty that they cant throw you a heal when you are low on health, if they are low on health, there is a reason, I mean seriously, can you think of an instance to which a person would have less than full hp upon entering a quest that doesnt warrant a heal? Falling damage? 40 points, heal em later.

Can anyone think of a unacceptable instance where asking for a heal is so rude and unacceptable that it over-rites a HEALER HEALING? I mean seriously come on people.

I don't see why players are so high and mighty that they feel drinking a pot is beneath them.

You really should have some sense of self preservation. Many people play a divine, not a healer.

[Zendaria]

I don't see why players are so high and mighty that they feel drinking a pot is beneath them.

You really should have some sense of self preservation. Many people play a divine, not a healer.

I for one will never role a cleric again, I like to do other things in a quest than spam the SP button and have people yell at me that they are to cheap to use a potion, thats MY job..

Delete a cleric build TODAY.. and have fun in a raid..

[MeliCat]

Alright wait a second, it could be that I am misunderstanding some of what people are posting, my interpretation of this was that the healer was refusing to heal some1 because they showed up to the quest without full hp... aslong as that person is getting a heal, at the point where he needs one, say hes at 60% and u wait untill he is 40% to heal him, thats fine.

Also that little tidbit about deleras, a Firewall/scorch/fireball casting wiz/sorc is still going to destroy those quests more than your heals will, granted the burst is nice from RS, but that doesnt take SP so your argument is invalid.

When a cleric/FVS gets blade-barrier they can solo baisicly anything, so why are you inviting gimps into your party that you have to heal anywase?

Let me break it down for you.

Two scenarios

1) random melee pug joins group with half a hp bar and jumps into the quest. says nothing but maybe 'hi'. does not then proceed to drink csw pots but just stands there.

2) random melee pug joins group with half a hp bar and says 'hi just going to a tav to get my hp back quickly and then will brt' of 'hi i'll just top up at the shrine nearby the quest entrance before i jump in. brt'

pug melee 1) at this point looks like a selfish person who thinks the world revolves around them who expects me to cater fully to their needs instead of me being able to use my sp more effectively and in a more fun way for the whole party/quest.

pug melee 2) looks like they have a clue, are considerate of others and might be fun to party with. i will almost certainly always say 'hey don't worry about it just jump in. i'll toss you a heal scroll when you get here'.

it *is* unreasonable to expect the healer to heal you up when you jump into a quest from a social perspective. if you want to start off on a bad foot go ahead. but healers who find the party no fun quickly leave as soon as they can.

make things fun for your healer and they'll stay. and a good healer is a v useful person to know.

[KillEveryone]

Let me break it down for you.

Two scenarios

1) random melee pug joins group with half a hp bar and jumps into the quest. says nothing but maybe 'hi'. does not then proceed to drink csw pots but just stands there.

2) random melee pug joins group with half a hp bar and says 'hi just going to a tav to get my hp back quickly and then will brt' of 'hi i'll just top up at the shrine nearby the quest entrance before i jump in. brt'

pug melee 1) at this point looks like a selfish person who thinks the world revolves around them who expects me to cater fully to their needs instead of me being able to use my sp more effectively and in a more fun way for the whole party/quest.

pug melee 2) looks like they have a clue, are considerate of others and might be fun to party with. i will almost certainly always say 'hey don't worry about it just jump in. i'll toss you a heal scroll when you get here'.

it *is* unreasonable to expect the healer to heal you up when you jump into a quest from a social perspective. if you want to start off on a bad foot go ahead. but healers who find the party no fun quickly leave as soon as they can.

make things fun for your healer and they'll stay. and a good healer is a v useful person to know.

Person one is my main issue.

I really don't mind using scrolls and wands but it is nice when people are considerate of the expense involved in those consumables and don't expect me to shell out for them. If everyone expected me to shell out a wand for them just to top off then it gets expensive and I do feel they should shell out some pots for themselves if they expect me to spend my plat on them. If they want to hand me a wand to top them off, I'll gladly give it back after I've topped them off.

I rolled a haggle bard after dealing with that on my cleric and I haven't played my cleric since. I have played a spellsinger heal focused bard and I did cap my FvS...TR project that needs the FvS and cleric past lives...but I also did other stuff besides heal. A few parties I did join as the healer and can fill that role, but it just isn't much fun being the babysitter and using scrolls on people that are not willing to chip in for that expense. I was more interested in the XP so I took it as a trade off for a quicker completion but when people just expect you to heal and use consumables on them without any thought on the expense, it does get frustrating.

Some may say that I got a chest but those people really need to see how much a heal scroll does cost and in shrine light, quests, you'll end up using a scroll or two.

[qes]

It depends on the level of my healer, my willingingness to use resources at that time, and if I am willing to wait for them to heal or not.

I would appreciate a request before they hit the instance asking if it's okay.

That gets back to the courtesy of asking if it's okay tho. I take more offense to assumption and demand than I have an issue actually doing it.

True with aura it is not mana intense! However like it is quoted here making assumptions of the cleric to heal up party members before going into quest! Not all cleric's have the aura, so conservation of sp is very important!