Nails, tough as - survival + melee

[OldAquarian]

Kensei II/HotD I/2 Rogue

Tank or DPS
When tanking:Tower Shield and Bastard Sword - for DPS and light tanking: any Slashing Two Hander
Also with the High UMD - should solo fairly well

Pros:
With Kensei Power Surge and Fighter Haste IV - DPS should be very good
Divine Righteousness fills in the missing Hate Generation
Can Raise Dead
UMD (heals and more)
High Saves
Has High Hit Points + Evasion + Healing Amp [1.2 (Human) * 1.2 (Helf-Monk) * 1.1 (HotD) Base Amp = ~1.6]

Cons:
No AC
Still not sure I like the way Half Elves look
Can't trapmonkey - not enough Skill points on fighter

If you want Stunning Blow - swap out one of the extra Toughnesses for it

Skills to Max: UMD and Intimidate - a +2 INT Tome gives some extras

Unbuffed Hitpoints - Just about meets expectations for a tank - but don't forget the healing Amp and the high saves:
418 From Planner
10 GH Favor
60 +6 CON item
30 GFL
45 Shroud HP item
20 Minos Legens
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583

Comments welcome

EDIT: Minor Tweaks based on comments

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Nails 
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 418
Spell Points: 95 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 13
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               13                    16
Charisma             13                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Undying Call
Enhancement: Follower of the Undying Court
Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Bastard Sword Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

[Ugumagre]

It looks like my 4th character... I only have three

I like it a lot.
With "no trapmonkey" you surely mean "difficult traps on elite"?

[OldAquarian]

With "no trapmonkey" you surely mean "difficult traps on elite"?

with a +2 INT tome it's 5 skill points after level 10
UMD eats 2 - Intim eats 1 - so thats only 2 points left
I guess you can max Disable and make somebody else do the search

[whomhead]

If you aren't a trapmonkey, and you're not taking combat expertise, then why go with 14 starting Int? I would dump Int and go with 18 starting strength instead (and a 14 con).

[Horkrux]

When tanking:Tower Shield and Bastard Sword - for DPS and light tanking: any Slashing Two Hander
...
Divine Righteousness fills in the missing Hate Generation

Dunno if a tower shield and bastard sword will cut it with just using divine righteousness.

Maybe come at a more dps approach?

I go by the dps-makes-the-mob-die-faster perspective

[Battlehawke]

Its a very fun build that hits pretty hard. If u go WF with Pally immunities, you'll be immune to almost everything in game or if you go Horc, you can increase DPS severely. You would't need to waste points in wis then. Also, you don't need all that int or cha. With the two rogue levels, you could get UMD to no fail on rez and heal scrolls. Power Surge, Divine Sacrifice, Divine Might and Exalted Smites are pretty nasty.

[Snormal]

You're missing monk 2 for 53 hp and +3 will/fort over rogue 2.

Monk 2/Human would lose 1% amp and gain ^ that plus a feat. Also TWF would get more from divine favour/smites/divine sacrifice.

My $0.02.

[OldAquarian]

Dunno if a tower shield and bastard sword will cut it with just using divine righteousness.

Maybe come at a more dps approach?

I go by the dps-makes-the-mob-die-faster perspective

The reason to use the shield is only when you would otherwise take more damage than you could be healed
I mentioned Light Tanking - meaning under lighter damage - just go at it with a Great Axe - or Falchion or Whatever
Having the shield tho, adds DR and 20% less damage

You're missing monk 2 for 53 hp and +3 will/fort over rogue 2.

Monk 2/Human would lose 1% amp and gain ^ that plus a feat. Also TWF would get more from divine favour/smites/divine sacrifice.

My $0.02.

Monk/Human is 1.3 Helf(Monk) is 1.44 - thats over 10% not 1% Amp
TWF doesn't help with Sword and Board or any Glancing Blows for AoE tanking


Also, no skill that uses up Turns was taken (like DM) to leave them for DR

[Ugumagre]

with a +2 INT tome it's 5 skill points after level 10
UMD eats 2 - Intim eats 1 - so thats only 2 points left
I guess you can max Disable and make somebody else do the search

/n00b modus on

Intim is useless. A friend of mine, fighter 16/ cleric 3/ ranger 1 told me so and he knows what he is talking about.

/n00b modus off
(I have the above discussion every time I play with my static group)

Yes, I forgot about Intim for this build.
Hmm, doing the math for 5 minutes... you are right, nothing to do there. Search or disable. That is the question.

[Ugumagre]

If you aren't a trapmonkey, and you're not taking combat expertise, then why go with 14 starting Int? I would dump Int and go with 18 starting strength instead (and a 14 con).

It is a 12 starting Int. For the levels til 7 you need:

Intimidate
UMD
And then balance and/or jump.

Of course it is also a good option as you say, but then it is another kind of build.

[Snormal]

Monk/Human is 1.3 Helf(Monk) is 1.44 - thats over 10% not 1% Amp
TWF doesn't help with Sword and Board or any Glancing Blows for AoE tanking


Also, no skill that uses up Turns was taken (like DM) to leave them for DR

Human gets 1.3, 2 monk gets 1.1. That's 1.43 vs the 1.44 of helf 1.2/monk 1.2.

Why are you even going sword and board with no AC? Sword and board for AC is questionable post-intim changes IMO, without AC it's just half the dps of a TWF build. Also, considering the situational use of divine righteousness and how easy it is to hit ~10 turns, you can afford to take DM1 for dpsing (which is what you'll be doing 99% of the time).

I am not trying to be overly critical, but I just don't see what sword and board adds to this build, and I don't see what tanking advantage you have over a barbarian, or a Kensai II/Kotc I/Monk 2, who'd have better hp, similar amp and far, far more dps.

edit: I just remembered the shield mastery changes, but I don't think 20% damage reduction is worth losing most of your dps, especially given you could just pick up an extra 20% hp along with the dps and such. I played around with sword and board/shield mastery/DoS/SD variants on the way to 20 on my most recent life on my main, and I was less than impressed with the concept.

[OldAquarian]

Human gets 1.3, 2 monk gets 1.1. That's 1.43 vs the 1.44 of helf 1.2/monk 1.2.

Why are you even going sword and board with no AC? Sword and board for AC is questionable post-intim changes IMO, without AC it's just half the dps of a TWF build. Also, considering the situational use of divine righteousness and how easy it is to hit ~10 turns, you can afford to take DM1 for dpsing (which is what you'll be doing 99% of the time).

I am not trying to be overly critical, but I just don't see what sword and board adds to this build, and I don't see what tanking advantage you have over a barbarian, or a Kensai II/Kotc I/Monk 2, who'd have better hp, similar amp and far, far more dps.

edit: I just remembered the shield mastery changes, but I don't think 20% damage reduction is worth losing most of your dps, especially given you could just pick up an extra 20% hp along with the dps and such. I played around with sword and board/shield mastery/DoS/SD variants on the way to 20 on my most recent life on my main, and I was less than impressed with the concept.

Human gets 1.3 - Monk 2 gets 0 - you need Monk 3
You can squeeze DM1 in if you want

Using a shield grants 20% reduction + DR - there are times this is very good - it's like giving your healer more SP
A LOT of the time it's not needed and going 2 Hander gives better dps and Glancing blows to spread the hate
Monk doesn't get UMD
KotC doesn't grant Healing Amp - but it's just an Enh Swap

[Snormal]

Oh, you're right about the healing amp, dunno what I was thinking there. Good luck to you with this build, it should be solid but I think you'll find that building for sword and board in the end will be a waste of feats. The only time I really ever pull out a shield is in HoX.

[OldAquarian]

Oh, you're right about the healing amp, dunno what I was thinking there. Good luck to you with this build, it should be solid but I think you'll find that building for sword and board in the end will be a waste of feats. The only time I really ever pull out a shield is in HoX.

Note that this is a viable and very self sufficient DPS build - that was my goal - but it true that it is not all out maximized
In building it, I realized that by spending skill points in Intimidate, specializing in Bastard Sword and adding 1 feat
- it becomes a viable tank
It is not a sword and board build as much as it's a build that works with sword and board