Now you need green steel weapons to do a Shroud?

[Kinerd]

No it doesn't. I can guarantee that if you have a decent group of good players, they could complete with those weapons you can buy in the tavern during the Chrono raid. It'll take more time, but I guarantee that it can be done.

This is like saying the shroud can't be soloed or shortmanned. We all know that it can because there is proof all over this forum.

If you had been on your cleric at the time, would you have preferred that the melees had DR breakers at least as good as Min IIs?

[Hobgoblin]

Unless they're weilded by a monk with the Dual Toppings feat.

Topical!

doesnt matter. this thread is no longer about the shroud or ddo, it is all about wierd al!

work with us here man back on track!

more Al

a dinosaur ate our lawyer, i guess that means that they arnt all bad

[gloopygloop]

If you had been on your cleric at the time, would you have preferred that the melees had DR breakers at least as good as Min IIs?

If I had been on my FvS at the time, I would have preferred that all of the melees had DR breakers of some kind and hit on a 2+ as well as having 100% fortification and 400+ HP.

As long as everyone has that, an Elite Shroud isn't bad at all. Some of the people will be geared out like crazy, but they can survive and contribute a meaningful amount as long as they're not complete failures.

I've never seen an Elite Shroud where the leader checked MYDDO or asked people to link their DR breakers and I've never had a problem in an Elite Shroud - probably because the people who can barely survive a Normal Shroud are too afraid to apply for an Elite Shroud. That has more to do with a character's build and gear in general than it has to do with any particular piece of Greensteel weaponry or Greensteel items.

[Sweetpea]

ok time to welcome the neg rep...

First elite shroud isnt 'easy' but for crying out loud i ran it on elite at 14 without any shroud gear at all!! get over it already... that being said i tend to be way picky when i put up elite shrouds. if i dont know you it wont matter what you link me i'll probably tell you to go fly a kite...

Second... its his grp man. if he doesnt want someone in it without the gear he wants to see then suck it up and move on. i decline ppl for stupid names or totally crazy builds or even better cos i simply dont care about a balanced party most of the time in my shrouds unless i am running elite. i went in the other day with 4 rogues a bard 3 sorcs 2 melee fvs and my poor totally out classed monk and a dc'd barb. guess what it was on elite and it was the easiest run i have ever done on elite... (mind you i would probably have considered not doing it on elite with that grp had i not been totally drunk and running with a bunch of mates just as drunk as me:P). i knew the grp. i knew their gear. thats the clincher there.

its about gear. its about knowledge and whether you like it or not its about whether someone knows you well enough to take the risk that you wont totally be carried thru the whole quest. reputation matters man. myddo is stuffed most of the time so when it says to link you gear and you dont come up to scratch walk away put up your own, grow some and get over it already


have a nice day

[NaturalHazard]

lolz even the people with silver holy burst greater lawful outsider bane weapons not allowed? meh it just shows ignorance, like people who expect people to have an epic item in each slot to run an easy epic like big top lolz.

[jandhaer]

Like I said, I have already done numerous elite shrouds with multiple toons (see my signature). I am hardly one that doesn't know what they are doing.

hmm never heard of ya

[NaturalHazard]

ok time to welcome the neg rep...

First elite shroud isnt 'easy' but for crying out loud i ran it on elite at 14 without any shroud gear at all!! get over it already... that being said i tend to be way picky when i put up elite shrouds. if i dont know you it wont matter what you link me i'll probably tell you to go fly a kite...

Second... its his grp man. if he doesnt want someone in it without the gear he wants to see then suck it up and move on. i decline ppl for stupid names or totally crazy builds or even better cos i simply dont care about a balanced party most of the time in my shrouds unless i am running elite. i went in the other day with 4 rogues a bard 3 sorcs 2 melee fvs and my poor totally out classed monk and a dc'd barb. guess what it was on elite and it was the easiest run i have ever done on elite... (mind you i would probably have considered not doing it on elite with that grp had i not been totally drunk and running with a bunch of mates just as drunk as me:P). i knew the grp. i knew their gear. thats the clincher there.

its about gear. its about knowledge and whether you like it or not its about whether someone knows you well enough to take the risk that you wont totally be carried thru the whole quest. reputation matters man. myddo is stuffed most of the time so when it says to link you gear and you dont come up to scratch walk away put up your own, grow some and get over it already


have a nice day

Like she said its his group he can put what ever reqiurements he wants on it, like elves only or only people with a torc, or only people with koromars belt, we are having a dance off. If you really want to run a shroud elite, put up your own lfm, and say yes, shroud elite and I dont require you to link your greensteel either.

[Arzoah]

You could even send tells to some of his members and maybe recruit them to your group instead.

<==== THIS. == EPIC WINNING.

I did that to a lot of peeps. Those who wouldn't come with us (this is back in the day when I played with Kist) often told us halfway-3/4 of the way through the quest that they wanted to drop their group and join up.

Sometimes high requirements are actually a player's way of compensating for lack of skill and decision-making ability.

[toughguyjoe]

You guys have lost the point. The OP was trying to make a concrete point and you have all missed it.


The OP HATES...


Sauerkraut.

[Praya20]

Hon, if you don't have greensteel or equivalent I think you would likely have a tough time in there. Anyway that is the leader's group not yours, if you want to get it done, why don't you start your own group. You could even send tells to some of his members and maybe recruit them to your group instead.

Right off the bat, first response "if you don't have GS......you would likely have a tough time in there."

Seriously?? and yeh ok an esos or ecb is fine but you don't NEED epic or GS weapons to run an elie shroud XD you just need to NOT be a ****! lol you dont do shroud on elite as your first run so you SHOULD have the experience and hats all you need, not crazy gear and weapons, you need to be able to build your toon well enough and quit complaining about silly little things like this and just deal with it, no offense intented to OP cause im with you on this one, but tbh, if you find it hard to survive in shroud on any difficulty no matter what gear your wearing, then stick to Tempest raid, coz you obviously haven't got the capability to look at your screen for 2 seconds to realize that you should NOT do something your clearly not able for.

GS weapons don't make a GIMP toon anything more than just a Shiny GIMP!!

[furbyoats]

Right off the bat, first response "if you don't have GS......you would likely have a tough time in there."

Seriously?? and yeh ok an esos or ecb is fine but you don't NEED epic or GS weapons to run an elie shroud XD you just need to NOT be a ****! lol you dont do shroud on elite as your first run so you SHOULD have the experience and hats all you need, not crazy gear and weapons, you need to be able to build your toon well enough and quit complaining about silly little things like this and just deal with it, no offense intented to OP cause im with you on this one, but tbh, if you find it hard to survive in shroud on any difficulty no matter what gear your wearing, then stick to Tempest raid, coz you obviously haven't got the capability to look at your screen for 2 seconds to realize that you should NOT do something your clearly not able for.

GS weapons don't make a GIMP toon anything more than just a Shiny GIMP!!

I think by "greensteel or equivalent" they mean DR breakers.

using this post as a reference (stats could be a bit different now): http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249728

Harry on Norm: CR 28/DR 15
Harry on Elite: CR 38/DR 35

20 points of DR is a lot, it might not seem like it, but it is. Also consider that he has at least 50% fort. If your base damage on a training dummy is around 60, then you are hitting harry for 25 on non-crits. Having something to punch through DR is pretty important unless you want your healers to slam pots.

and i believe that's the point. make it quick, easy, and painless.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that he has more than double the HP on elite than he does on norm...so yea

EDIT: Messed up a dmg number

[tyga250]

Not bringing a DR breaker to Shroud Elite is like turning up to a bbq with no beer.

[lhidda]

Give me a fricken break. There is an elite shroud up right now that isn't allowing anyone in unless they have a GS weapon. Amazing.

Good luck with that.

More people that think you can't do anything without GS.

Yesterday I ran shroud normal on khyber. 2 rounder in part IV, took forever in part V. I checked the gear of some people. Rocksplitters and fang of siberys are not good equip to break DR, they are horrible, they do not break dr of harry. But I wont bother its normal difficulty. If I'd lead a shroud elite group, yes, melees have to have DR breakers. Silver + good bypass is the minimum gear you would need to stay in my group if you are melee. Live with that.

[Atenhotep]

Hey LOOON375 ... just a little advice ... given that both your guild name and your toon named on your sig are serious violations of Turbine's code of conduct (naming violations) .. if I were you I really wouldn't be trying to draw unwanted attention to myself.

Aten

[Praya20]

I think by "greensteel or equivalent" they mean DR breakers.

I would expect nothig less than a MPG weapon +4/+5, GS is not essential is what i meant, yes it helps but you shouldn't think you HAVE to have GS to get the job done.

Not bringing a Beer to Shroud Elite is like turning up to a bbq with no beer.

^^ Fixed this for you

[Rameses]

Have better DR breakers. Sorry you didn't get in and no it wasn't my party.
plus using myDDO to judge your weapons is plain Silly, Silly, STOOPID.
Using myDDO to judge a characters BUILD by statistics well that's using your gray matter.


I am, Rameses!

[Arzoah]

You guys have lost the point. The OP was trying to make a concrete point and you have all missed it.


The OP HATES...


Sauerkraut.

I have mixed feelings about sauerkraut. What are yours?

[Lleren]

Not bringing a DR breaker to Shroud Elite is like turning up to a bbq with no beer.

Hey, I'll let folks into my elite BbQ if they bring Meats or Alchohols.
but they better be bringing one or the other =D

Honestly, I'd probobly deny the original poster to any group just based on the name. Would just assume they are telling what they believe to be the truth about themselves. Maybe I'm wrong, but playtime is too short to waste it on folks claiming to be griefers.

[TheDearLeader]

+5 metalline great sword of righteousness and my +3 holy burst great sword of pure good.

One is the second lowest form of busting DR (the bottom rung being Metalline + Flametouched Iron), and the other doesn't bust DR.

Sure, either way, you'd do *some* damage. But if I was looking to PUG up an Elite run? I'd sincerely hope that someone would bring more to the table.

DR Breakers
+5 Metalline + Flametouched Iron = 2d6 + 5 Damage Per Swing
+5 Metalline + Righteousness = 2d6 + 7
+5 Silver + Pure Good = 2d6 + 8.5
+3 Holy + Silver = 2d6 +10
+5 Holy + Silver = 2d6 +12
+5 Holy + Silver + Righteousness = 2d6 + 14
+5 Holy + Silver + Pure Good = 2d6 + 15.5
Mineral II = 3d6 + 9.5
+4 Holy Silver of LOB (Cannith, Unbound) = 2d6 + 21
+5 Holy Burst Silver of GLOB = 2d6 + 31.1 (ish)

Non DR Breakers
+3 Holy Burst + Pure Good = 2d6 - 15.4 (ish)
Lit II Pos - Air - Air/Dual= 3d6 + 0.6 + Shock Blast

Now... >.> I probably messed up some numbers in there. I didn't punch it into Barrage or anything. But I think it's pretty clear that on Elite, the weapons you wanted to use on that toon can easily be eclipsed by a large number of different weapon permutations.

*Note : I am not the best with numbers. Also, these silly calcs don't take the toon's build into play when calculating all these different damage types.

Now, it's those parties where you link a +5 HBSoGLOB, and the leader snaps back "NO YOU DON'T HAVE GS" and declines? That's where we have a problem.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

Anyway, things really started lookin' up for me
Because about a week later, I finally achieved my lifelong dream
That's right, I got me a part-time job at The Sizzler
I even made employee of the month after I put that grease fire out with my face
Aw yeah, everybody was pretty jealous of me after that
I was gettin' a lot of attitude