Extra free feats for TR3,6,9,etc.

[eunucorn]

Instead of adding extra feat slots, why not make the completionist feat passive? Makes a lot more sense to me, while keeping stuff at least somewhat balanced.

I'm sure this has been suggested many times before as it makes -10 sense to have a feat that can be rescinded at any time not be passive. And once a new class comes out, how are they gonna let people pick a new feat where they once had completionist? Are they going to have to go to Fred and pay for it?

Lithic, I'm curious, have you ever not taken the feat on a character you've leveled? That would be pretty sad.

But anyway, that's a side discussion that's been hashed to bits.

[Luckness]

The only way I could see this come close to being worth considering were if it was only one bonus feat with only active past life feats selectable.

This.

Make it so that you don't have to judge whether the active past-life feat you choose is better or worse than all the other things you could put in that slot. Make it a bonus feat for making your first TR. Let any active past-life feat or completionist occupy the slot.

(And make some more of the active past-life feats worth selecting.)

If you want to to be a reward for going beyond 36 point builds, then let it be the reward for the 4th life. But don't make it repeating. Powergamers who don't want to grind forever should still get nice things.

It also makes a sort of internal logic I guess. 3 Past Lives of your current class, means you can stack the past life feat three times and then select the active past life feat the fourth time. For those that TR into the same class.

[bando]

Okay, so let's say that I have a character with a past life of fighter and a past life of monk.

thats a stacking +1 to hit and +1 damage on everything. The equivalent of +2 to strength.

if i have a past life barbarian, +10 to HP (equivalent of a +1 to Con)

and each of the spell penetration feats is like a +2 to the right stat.

These are not under-powered feats for characters.

If anything, the 2nd past life feats that you have to take are a bit underwhelming for someone to take. They might be good for specific builds, but for the most part, they're unecessary.

[Luckness]

The passive ones are generally alright. They're not only good; they're inherently free to stack on to your build. The active ones require you give up a feat. This thread is partly about making the active ones more attractive by making them occupy a past-life-only feat slot. (It's also partly about making a TR past getting 36 point builds more attractive.)

[Tinco]

The only way I would probably agree with is:

If you have 3 passive past lives of a certain class, you get the corresponding active past life feat for free. TR benefits are already quite powerful for most toons and while I think there should be an incentive for the 'hardcore' TR guys besides completionist it should be kept within reason. There is already a huge gap between a first life 20 and a multi-tr toon and it should be closely examined before it's widened further.

And for Star only probably add: If you have 3 past lives of all classes, you get the completionist feat for free. For such extremely dedicated cases I really wouldn't mind that.

[Bodic]

Sorry I still for completionist as a free feat.
but 1 for PL:feats @TR3 lvl 3 Sure 1 @TR6 lvl6 but buck stops there.

[eunucorn]

If you have 3 past lives of all classes, you get the completionist feat for free. For such extremely dedicated cases I really wouldn't mind that.

Oh, 33 TRs, then you are ok with it? Sounds like easy button to me :P

You have some high standards mate.

[Tinco]

Oh, 33 TRs, then you are ok with it? Sounds like easy button to me :P

You have some high standards mate.

That was actually only an addition to my first and more important point. Free completionist after 33 lives is something that would change about as much about the game as raising the base price of tasty ham by one plat. Free past life feats after three corresponding past lives however would open a niche for the not-so-much-but-still-quite-hardcore players when they really want to build 'the perfect rogue' or 'the perfect barb' without playing completely unrelated past lives like wizard or cleric.

[HarveyMilk]

big /signed for active PL feat slots every 3 TRs.

This would be VERY fun for builds.

[diamabel]

Full disclosure: I have never TRd a character and at my current rate of play (new dad), may never get the chance to.

My "issue" is that after a TR2, it really seems that the gains gotten by TRing are just too small. This is especially true if your end goal is a feat-starved class (Sorc, Paly, etc.) Now, I get why the extra build points stop at TR2. But I see no reason why a TR3 shouldn't get some benefit besides the passive Past Life feat. Thus I propose that on every 3rd TR, an extra feat is granted. The feat could be available at the same "level" as the TR.

Example: Say i've been through 3 Wiz lives, 2 FvS lives and 1 Sorc life on my way to an uber nuking Sorc. Thus, as a TR6 I would get two extra feats, 1 at level 3, and 1 at level 6. With those two extra feats I'd be able to take the purchasable Past Life feats for Wiz and Sorc and still have enough feats for the usual feats a Sorc takes.

It's a simple change. Yet to my mind, it makes TRing much more appealing without being a game-breaker.

On a side note, this also takes the sting out of having to purchase the completionist feat. Those psychopaths just ground out 12 TRs and you make them buy the feat? Should be automatic but hey, i'll use one of my extra 4 feats to take it. Thanks Turbine!

PS - Sorry Lithic but this one would cap at TR18 unless they raise the level cap.

A TR has more advantages than just the past life feats.

1) You get more build points
2) You keep your old equipment which is especially useful with rare items, raid items and crafted items (e.g. green steel) that are bound to character --> a big time saver

As some other poster already mentioned. How would you balance content for those builds? If you make challenging content for such TR builds then you create a large gap for others that decided to not TR.

[jwdaniels]

You do get a free past life feat for every time you TR (up to 3 per class, of course) so there are already free feats implemented.

To the OP's idea, I loudly say no.

[KyrzaBladedancer]

I like the idea but perhaps start it at 4 TRs instead of 3 like someone else mentioned, Limit the feat slots to an Active PL feat, and max it at 3 (i.e. TR 10) and give the feat slot at 6 12 and 18. Most builds will not ever use more than 2 or 3 active PLs at the same time, The most being a Melee Wizard with Sorc Wiz Bard Fighter Rogue and Pally or a Ravager type build using Pally Rogue Barb Fighter and maybe Cleric for some easy emergency self healing. Count completionist as a PL active feat and I think that would give multi TRs something to look forward to after the 2nd or 3rd TR (besides the passive abilities)

[IONDragonx]

I agree with the OP.

There shouldn't be a penalty for the past life feats. The current penalty is: give up a obviously better feat. There is no class that has feats to throw away.

A player has already earned these benefits but using normal feat slots seems like taking them away. Like toys that you are only allowed to look at.

[suszterpatt]

I agree with the OP.

There shouldn't be a penalty for the past life feats. The current penalty is: give up a obviously better feat. There is no class that has feats to throw away.

A player has already earned these benefits but using normal feat slots seems like taking them away. Like toys that you are only allowed to look at.

Nobody's forcing you to take the feat. But you're still enjoying the benefit of having more feats to choose from. Being a TR shouldn't entitle you to be any more powerful than a first lifer, at least not beyond the extent to which it already does.

[oradafu]

The only way I would probably agree with is:

If you have 3 passive past lives of a certain class, you get the corresponding active past life feat for free. TR benefits are already quite powerful for most toons and while I think there should be an incentive for the 'hardcore' TR guys besides completionist it should be kept within reason. There is already a huge gap between a first life 20 and a multi-tr toon and it should be closely examined before it's widened further.

And for Star only probably add: If you have 3 past lives of all classes, you get the completionist feat for free. For such extremely dedicated cases I really wouldn't mind that.

I pretty much agree with this. If you have a character that has three past lives of a certain class and currently are that class, I think you should gain the feat for free. For example, someone who has a character that currently is a monk with 3 monk past lives, 3 fighter past lives and 3 barbarian past lives, the character gets the Active Monk Past Life for free but must purchase the Fighter feat or Barbarian feat. It doesn't even have to at level 3 when it becomes available, maybe level 5 or 6.

As for the completionist feat being free for maxing the past lives, I also agree with this. However, I would suggest that maybe if you max out the past lives then you gain a free Feat that can only be used for any Past Life feat or the Completionist feat. Sure, 99% of people would pick the Completionist feat, but maybe there's someone who really would prefer the Active Ranger Past Life feat over Completionist.

[AndyD47]

You do get a free past life feat for every time you TR (up to 3 per class, of course) so there are already free feats implemented.

To the OP's idea, I loudly say no.

I agree with this statement.

If you decide to TR you will get past life feats for free,you don't need to throw a cherry on top of a cherry on top of a cherry...I see it getting to the point where a newly capped character just wouldn't be playing the same game at all compared to a multiple TR'd toon.

[IONDragonx]

Nobody's forcing you to take the feat. But you're still enjoying the benefit of having more feats to choose from.

Creating bad choices for the game, ones that no competitive person would choose, is - just. bad. design. There's no enjoyment of a looking at things that you earned but can't use. As it is, its not even a good trophy because no other player can see which ones you have.

Being a TR shouldn't entitle you to be any more powerful than a first lifer, at least not beyond the extent to which it already does.

This is analogous to stating that a level 61 player shouldn't be entitled to be any more powerful than a level 21 to 60 player. Much less a level 1 to 20 player. They earned the reward. Stop taking it from them.

[Arel]

Does anyone even consider the active feats normally besides Monk->Monk TR's?

/signed for a single free PL-only feat at the third TR.

[mournbladereigns]

This.

Make it so that you don't have to judge whether the active past-life feat you choose is better or worse than all the other things you could put in that slot. Make it a bonus feat for making your first TR. Let any active past-life feat or completionist occupy the slot.

(And make some more of the active past-life feats worth selecting.)

If you want to to be a reward for going beyond 36 point builds, then let it be the reward for the 4th life. But don't make it repeating. Powergamers who don't want to grind forever should still get nice things.

It also makes a sort of internal logic I guess. 3 Past Lives of your current class, means you can stack the past life feat three times and then select the active past life feat the fourth time. For those that TR into the same class.

I like the idea of a free past life feat slot for every 4 TR's. Basically it'd be like a Half-Elf dilettante ability (only with no enhancements.)

And since it doesn't kick in until you have 3rd life xp req's, its a reasonable bonus. since you otherwise don't gain major additional benefits for a 4th life.

I also favor this, as too much of a toons ability is tied up in gear in this game, imo.

It would also mesh well with racial past life 'paragon' bonuses.

so

/signed with conditions

[Cyr]

Does anyone even consider the active feats normally besides Monk->Monk TR's?

/signed for a single free PL-only feat at the third TR.

Barbs, wizards, pali, and rogue all get some people who take them.