GRing my Cleric

[DeafeningWhisper]

I’m Greater Reincarnating my Cleric pretty soon (lvl 18 with a lvl withhold) and have a hard time choosing between two builds:

Zen Clonk
18 Cleric/2Monk
Human

Stats :

Str 8 +6 item = 14
Dex 11 +2 tome (for Rapid Shot)
Con 16 +2 tome +6 item = 24
Int 8
Wis 18 +2 tome + 3 enhancement +1 Adaptability +5 lvls +2 Stance + 6 item +1 exceptional = 38
Cha 11 +1 tome +6 item + 2 enhancement = 18

Feats:

1- Maximize
1- Empower Healing
2 - Toughness
3 - Shield Mastery
6 - Heighten
9 - Point Blank Shot
12 - Quicken
15 - Precise Shot
18 - Rapid Shot
19 - Zen Archery

This build’s main job will be to de-buff trash at range with a bow (shattermantle to kite into Implosion or BB and help casters or Destruction to help the DPS land hits) and to turtle up next to the DPS with a Tower Shield in boss fights with aura on to supplement mass healing spells.


Frontline Caster Cleric
20 Cleric
Human

Stats :

Str : 11 +1 tome +6 item= 18
Dex : 8
Con : 16 +2 tome +6 item = 24
Int : 8
Wis : 18 + 2 tome + 5 lvls + 6 item + 3 enhancement + 1 adaptability + 1 exceptional = 36
Cha : 13 +1 tome +6 item = 20




Feats :

1 - Toughness
1 - Empower Healing
3 - Shield Mastery
6 - Extra Turning
9 - Maximize
12 - Improved Shield Mastery
15 - Quicken
18 - Heighten


This is a caster build that can be in the frontline with the dps with Aura on at all times and plenty of turns to Burst them and save SP for offensive casting.


Is having 2 extra wis and Evasion worth the splash (I loose some hitpoints, DC and SP)?
Can Bow de-buffing while staying next to the casters really help my party more then me staying next to the DPS with Aura on?
I need input from people with more experience in epic quests (dreading the jump in difficulty), which looks better?
Or more to the point, which would you rather have in your party?

The Clonk build would require an alignment change and a +2 Dex tome so please provide explanations for why it's better.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[erikbozelie]

intresting thought.

personally id drop shield mastery on both builds,
as for the archery build, archery is extremely gimped in this game, unless you specialize into it.

as example. hit 5 targets at once with preciseshot while manyshot active, with an burst longbow of greater bane, holy arrows and slaying imbue otherwise it wouldnt be worth investing any.

if its just for debuffing, craft yourself an greensteel concort op kama, and an shuriken with whatever debuff effect you want on it. (throwing shuriken is dex to hit, and you do not get any penalty for wearing 2 weapons, even if you have 0 feats into the 2wf line).

if you want archery. make sure you got manyshot. and go elf. this way you get slaying arrows imbue, and an good burst damage. maybe splash 1 level of roque for the 1d6 +3 sneak attack

also note that you cant cast spells till the bow animation is finished reloading an new arrow. which is quicker with throwing weapons.

as for the pure 20 cleric human build 2 monk splash is certainly worth the splash, id even take 3 if i where you. get -25% sp reduction. or 2monk, and 1fighter, wizard, or roque.

id suggest rolling my first life
get that 101 raid ac. and run around like you dont care.

instead of the 2 wisdom shuriken on that build, you can put the 2 wisdom on the tod ring, and make yourself an debuff shuriken. that way you get the archery debuff idea.

sorry about the long and maybe fuzzy post, its 6 am, been up all night.

PS. ow yeah, its not what people want you to play, i would go with the cleric you like playing. keeps you going longer <3

[DeafeningWhisper]

De-buff Shurikens... interesting idea. I hadn't even thought about getting my AC high enough to not care about running Epic, this is gonna take a lot more research then I anticipated. Wouldn't Shield Mastery work even better on an AC build? The fact that the few hits you take are reduces by 25% plus the shields DR seems really nice.

[erikbozelie]

De-buff Shurikens... interesting idea. I hadn't even thought about getting my AC high enough to not care about running Epic, this is gonna take a lot more research then I anticipated. Wouldn't Shield Mastery work even better on an AC build? The fact that the few hits you take are reduces by 25% plus the shields DR seems really nice.

shields and armor are below wisdom to ac monk-wise.
with that build you can get up to 112 ac fully buffed. i was at 420hp without greensteel, could drop toughness and pick that up. 420 was enough
shield and armor kindof nerves that to 70. if your really deticated.

DR is nice, but if you want that grind yourself an bloodrage symbiot out of von. and aply adamantine 5 ritual on it to make it last longer.

if it comes to epic displacement and debuffs are the way to go. i used to spam waves of exhaustion and fatique from scrolls, mass commanding trash to sit down, blind them with holy aura, charm some other monsters with symbol of persuation, stun them with symbol of stunning. this way before update 9. hes in his 3rd live now.

what i would suggest if you really want to be the epic kill all cleric. take my build from up there.

slot in spell focus and greater spell focus and wizard past life. then grab yourself an +2 necro dc shuriken + any debuff effect. or carry an couple.

wisdom = 18 base + 5 level +3 exceptional +2 stance +5 level +7 enhancement +4 tome +2 yugo pot = 44 wisdom(17)
DC = 10 base + 9 spell +3 feats +2 shuriken + 22 wisdom

DC 41 implosion. pretty good to kill stuff with

spell focus an problem? 3 wizard lives +3 favorite soul past lives = +9. add an improved shatter mantle shuriken to it, +15 spell pen.

17 cleric +3 enhancement + 15 = 35 spell pen, youll get 50/50 to whipe casters in epic. without adding any spell pen feats.

[DeafeningWhisper]

shields and armor are below wisdom to ac monk-wise.
with that build you can get up to 112 ac fully buffed. i was at 420hp without greensteel, could drop toughness and pick that up. 420 was enough
shield and armor kindof nerves that to 70. if your really deticated.

DR is nice, but if you want that grind yourself an bloodrage symbiot out of von. and aply adamantine 5 ritual on it to make it last longer.

if it comes to epic displacement and debuffs are the way to go. i used to spam waves of exhaustion and fatique from scrolls, mass commanding trash to sit down, blind them with holy aura, charm some other monsters with symbol of persuation, stun them with symbol of stunning. this way before update 9. hes in his 3rd live now.

what i would suggest if you really want to be the epic kill all cleric. take my build from up there.

slot in spell focus and greater spell focus and wizard past life. then grab yourself an +2 necro dc shuriken + any debuff effect. or carry an couple.

wisdom = 18 base + 5 level +3 exceptional +2 stance +5 level +7 enhancement +4 tome +2 yugo pot = 44 wisdom(17)
DC = 10 base + 9 spell +3 feats +2 shuriken + 22 wisdom

DC 41 implosion. pretty good to kill stuff with

spell focus an problem? 3 wizard lives +3 favorite soul past lives = +9. add an improved shatter mantle shuriken to it, +15 spell pen.

17 cleric +3 enhancement + 15 = 35 spell pen, youll get 50/50 to whipe casters in epic. without adding any spell pen feats.

Made the calculations, with the gear I have now (some crappy named loot and the stuff I can craft) and Tower Shield I can get 68 AC which should be enough for the none epic stuff I'll be running for a while to grind for ingredients then I'll just respect my feats to something similar to your build.