OG OG New Raid Meh!!

[Khellendros13]

The Lag Monster they spawn when hit can easily wipe a party too. Sux when your hit by one and you get frozen in place while everything in your inventory rolls a save. Many a time I've seen a party member hit by one and unable to move for 10 secs while a dozen buff animations flicker on and off on them. I'd rather they be instant death effects no save, then disjunction. At least then it wouldn't lag the group for 10 -20 secs while the game engine rolls dice for an entire backpack worth of stuff.

Yea its the lag, not the actual dysjunction that kills imo.

[patang01]

Some people like timed, puzzle or even fail condition raids. But I gander most doesn't. Long raids with quest terminating fails (other than wipe at the end boss) just plainly sucks.

And please don't make another raid where you have to run it 50-60 times to get one item you like - such as with ToD. There are other mechanics that can be used to make the item rare such as with Shroud.

[maddmatt70]

This is an AMAZING suggestion. If the developers truly think they are capable of pleasing us with a new end game raid, then they should take some notes on this one. Very creative and thought out suggestion.

Its funny how people like the one room concept of raids and more devils as well. I am kind of bored of both devils and one room raids. Its time for something new.

[Philibusta]

Funny...in all the years I played D&D, I don't remember any 12-player "raid"-type modules ever being released.

Think they only exist in DDO to satisfy the WoW-GW mindset.

[Thrudh]

My wish list for future raids

Doesn't have 2/3 of he players being spectators.
Doesn't have a flagging mechanic which you have to run the same quests to get the one missing item that drops randomly or is very rare.
Raid boss is not lured into fighting in one static place through intimidate or dps or is one huge static animated body.
Raid boss that fails to attack or toss the players that are beating on him.
Raid boss that goes after casters and healers.
Raid loot that is not broken, missing abilities or is plain junk.
Raid loot that caters to more then the melee classes.

All these are good... especially this one...

Raid boss is not lured into fighting in one static place through intimidate or dps or is one huge static animated body.

Make it impossible for us to maneuver a boss into hitting just one guy...

Personally, I'd like to see an end-boss situation a lot like part 2 of the Shroud was when it first came out... Let's make it so we have to split the raid party into 3 or 4 groups to win the fight.

[Emili]

Its funny how people like the one room concept of raids and more devils as well. I am kind of bored of both devils and one room raids. Its time for something new.

I like your defended a fortress idea... if the fortress were in scope sectional like a castle. I do not like one room concepts we've a few raids where the pre-raid were more exciting than the raid itself.

I like things broken out add in getting to the boss as part of the raid... an air ship fight along the way would be cool or maybe an outdoor scope like TS but with objectives along the way ... stop and rescue x, seal gate along road y to slow down the enemy. Changing scenery adds depth.

Then make way to a stronghold only to find some enemy are already there and those/that which you are protecting in the keep barely holding out...

Eliminate that advanced enemy resecure the fortress and prepare for the major force, Fend them off sending out people to cut their supplies, demolish key enemy leaders/weapons until dusk and a chance sets in to gather your strength and make way to the boss camped upon the hill in the distance.

[Nahual]

Yea its the lag, not the actual dysjunction that kills imo.

I thinks its you not noticing what the trap does that actually kills you.

First you go Holy **** what was that trap?! Im fine Im good red bar is full. That is a waste of a trap.

Secondly During combat you go why arent I hitting, why is my dps so low, wait what arggg .....ping.

[die]

i want too see a end boss , that picks up pepps and bites there heads off and rip's barbs and wizards in half .

he will jump in the air and smash the little folk.. not something that jsut stand there while 12 pepps jsut beat on him or her for 5 minutes

[Schmoe]

Funny...in all the years I played D&D, I don't remember any 12-player "raid"-type modules ever being released.

Think they only exist in DDO to satisfy the WoW-GW mindset.

Hogwash and balderdash. In 1st edition modules, large parties were expected and accommodated. For example, from the introduction to G1-2-3 Against the Giants:

"The optimum mix for a group is 9 characters of various classes, with an average experience level of at least 9th, and armed with 2 or 3 magical items each."

[Cetus]

Its funny how people like the one room concept of raids and more devils as well. I am kind of bored of both devils and one room raids. Its time for something new.

Well, as we seldom receive new content in the form of an end-game raid; I'm a bit reluctant to suggest anything completely extaordinary that might just get a "Yea, Right" response by a dev skimming over the suggestions. Although, I do agree- It would be even more amazing if the context of sirgog's suggestion would have a defense type objective or what not.

[grayham]

Posting my Raid thoughts in the hope that they may be read by a dev and to see if I'm the exception or the rule...

Reavers fate- Never running this now I have 2 x Madstone boots.1 or 2 people do all the work Nice puzzle idea but....
HoX- Never running this now I have levik's. It takes a month to get to the entrance and 1 or 2 people do most of the work. Nice puppy/mother idea but...
VoD- Will run this one since it's a good DPS tester, quick to get to and quick to complete. Requires a bit more teamwork than the others, but hardly a full-on challenge.
Shroud-Ingredients, crafting, a good raid with variety that (in places) requires real teamwork and co-ordination
ToD- A good Raid with rings as an incentive to re-run.
Chronoscope- Personally I think this is a fun Raid, though easy to pike around on.

The summary would be that if both the content and the item-based incentive are there, then the Raid will be considered a success.

[Yaga_Nub]

As long as they put madfloyd in charge of how difficult elite/epic is, were in good shape. Give him the reigns eladrin.

I'm a bit late here and trying to catch up but you do realize that Eladrin isn't in charge of dungeon construction right? Eladrin could give him the reins to make a new class though. I think FlimsyFirewood is who you want to talk to.

[Cam_Neely]

My wish list for future raids

Doesn't have 2/3 of he players being spectators.

I want some sort of puzzle, similar to the 'lights on' puzzle in the shroud, only no one can unlock it. You either take the 5 min to figure out a puzzle and loot, OR you die, and your soul stone goes onto the next part. None of this 4 free chests for dancing by a door please.

[sirgog]

I want some sort of puzzle, similar to the 'lights on' puzzle in the shroud, only no one can unlock it. You either take the 5 min to figure out a puzzle and loot, OR you die, and your soul stone goes onto the next part. None of this 4 free chests for dancing by a door please.

I'm not a fan of puzzles in raids, full stop. If one person solves theirs instantly and another takes 3 minutes, that's a 3 minute 'time out' to the person that instantly solves theirs.

Particularly annoying is the epic VON5 floor tile puzzle, where 3-6 people need to stay there and solve it (and protect the solver) and the rest of the raid have only a limited amount of things they can do until the thing is done.

Puzzles in DDO don't reward brains or character abilities, they reward memorization (for complex floor tile ones), or alt-tabbing out to solvers (Litany questionaire, Monastery end puzzle, Titan preraid).

I do like them in solo/duo/6-player content, however. Less people are forced to pike (or kill endless respawns) while the puzzle is solved.

[Bladedge]

It could be worse , the devs can have a raid with a maze where you guide it thru the entire raid.

[killerzee25]

Epic troll post. You, sir, win the forums.


I want to see the new raid encounters actually change in complexity, not just boss HP and healing requirements, from Normal to Elite. Think how Raiyum is different in at-level Elite compared to running it on Epic - the fight has additional mobs on Epic that cannot be ignored.

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Awesome suggestion, yet i will shoot myself if we get another evil outsider raid lol

[Schmoe]

I want to see the new raid encounters actually change in complexity, not just boss HP and healing requirements, from Normal to Elite. Think how Raiyum is different in at-level Elite compared to running it on Epic - the fight has additional mobs on Epic that cannot be ignored.

[example]

I'd love to see more encounters designed in this fashion. It really makes the game interesting and provides a variety of challenges.

[Jandric]

There is so much content in that range that you'd have to hold a level or two to get to it all in a TR life. Up to 12-14 or so, the game is packed full. After Gianthold, things slow down. We need high level content, not more lowbie stuff that no one plays.

Now if they were to up the level cap...