GEOB Shards

[oradafu]

Grrr...didn't realize that Demon's Blood was needed for both Greater Chaotic Outsider Bane and Greater Evil Outsider Bane since I couldn't access any recipe higher than 75. I'll post my comment from other threads in the proper place now....grrr.

"If Demon's Blood is still what is needed for Greater Chaotic Outsider Bane, I'd like to see it drop in more quests. The obvious quests would be Epic DQ1&2 and Elite In the Demon's Den. It would be nice to see ingredients for Cannith crafting (such as needed for Bane shards) to be available in quests that they are useful in."

This is slightly different than the argument that Large Devil Scales not being available to f2p to make Lawful Outsiders in another thread. As someone pointed out, most of the places that you can get Large Devil Scales are places that GLOB would be useful. (Sure, the occasional Hellhound, Efreeti, etc do pop up in other quests but they are more of minor nuisance in the quests they appear in.) Mariliths are a major creature and it just seem logical that Demon's Blood should drop in quests (or at least high difficult setting quests) that they appear in.

[TheDearLeader]

The Blood of Demons to drop out of quests where Demons actually exist, and where it may be useful, similar to the Blood of Dragons?

Lunacy, o Lunacy! Send these people to the Nurse Ratchett, for they seem to need some.. reeducation.

(Yeah, this is a good idea.)

[QuantumFX]

The Blood of Demons to drop out of quests where Demons actually exist, and where it may be useful, similar to the Blood of Dragons?

Lunacy, o Lunacy! Send these people to the Nurse Ratchett, for they seem to need some.. reeducation.

(Yeah, this is a good idea.)

Sure. We can start with the Thernal Ruins and Invaders.

[Noelemahc]

What recipes force you to raid?

The outsider bane shards still require devil scales, which you can only get in shroud. Thus, you have to raid to get them. Granted, you can BUY them from players, but for the nonraiding population in the game who has that much plat just laying around?

The same for the dragon banes. The only REASONABLE way to get the blood is von 6 unless they drop in tor now. Otherwise you have to tr multiple times or make new chars just for the blood.

[TheDearLeader]

Sure. We can start with the Thernal Ruins and Invaders.

You're right. Heaven forbid Against the DEMON Queen, which has the very word in it's name, have a chance at dropping Demon's Blood.

Sorry to offend you by supporting such a ridiculous idea.

The outsider bane shards still require devil scales, which you can only get in shroud. Thus, you have to raid to get them. Granted, you can BUY them from players, but for the nonraiding population in the game who has that much plat just laying around?

The same for the dragon banes. The only REASONABLE way to get the blood is von 6 unless they drop in tor now. Otherwise you have to tr multiple times or make new chars just for the blood.

The Blood of Dragons drop in Tor, and Mired in Kobolds. Maybe Prey if you kill the dragons? I don't know.

Re: Large Scales. Shroud, ToD Flagging Quests, Devil Assault Elite/Epic, ToD part 3 chests.

Or, some would say the AH. Because yanno, that's what a new crafter has - 400k plat left over every time they want to make less than 1/4th of what is necessary to make a single weapon.

[Khurse]

Or, some would say the AH. Because yanno, that's what a new crafter has - 400k plat left over every time they want to make less than 1/4th of what is necessary to make a single weapon.

Why does the new crafter have to make GLOB/GCOB/GEOB shards?
Why not encourage them to make plain Bane shards instead, which will work perfectly fine and (as long as they're DR breakers) be better than the DR breakers many people are using now?

I'm curious as to the thought pattern that seems to demand that new crafter must have an easy and smooth run to be able to jump right into crafting recipes (essentially) useful for end game/near end game raids.

[TheDearLeader]

Why does the new crafter have to make GLOB/GCOB/GEOB shards?
Why not encourage them to make plain Bane shards instead, which will work perfectly fine and (as long as they're DR breakers) be better than the DR breakers many people are using now?

I'm curious as to the thought pattern that seems to demand that new crafter must have an easy and smooth run to be able to jump right into crafting recipes (essentially) useful for end game/near end game raids.

My apologies.

I didn't realize that someone jumped out of Korthos, went to House K, entered the crafting hall, stepped up to the first device they felt like, and 2x +5 HBSoGLOB. 2x +5 HBCoGCOB, and 2x +5 ABAoGCB Khopeshes all just fell out of the crafting device, and into their inventory.

I was under this mistaken idea that we had to invest time and resources into crafting to achieve necessary levels in two crafting schools which were a method of limiting crafting, and then were further limited by resource costs diminished by having to reach said prerequisite level to make the shards, then were even further limited by resources costs by making shards of potential to boost the blank's craftability to a level suitable enough to possess the proper shards, which was of course then further limited by needing the blank of both the appropriate weapon and metal types.

Did you like my run on sentence? I did. You act like taking the Demon's Blood/LDS out of the equation is suddenly giving these shards away. If someone has the levels to craft it? Let'em craft it. All this high level stuff is BtA anyway.

If they wanted to make it LDS/Demons Blood/Both on the Unbound Side, when/if that comes about? I wouldn't complain.

[kernal42]

Did you like my run on sentence?

Yes!

[kernal42]

In its current state, nobody will craft the GEOB shard. They will craft:
Holy burst Silver of GLOB
Holy burst Cold Iron of GCOB
because both GLOB and GCOB shards are cheaper and lower-level than the GEOB shard, and there's no benefit to using GEOB over GLOB on your silver weapon. The only exception here is that Shintao monks may craft Holy of GEOB handwraps for slot consolidation.

So in its current incarnation, the GEOB is basically useless. I'd like to see it modified so that the higher-level recipe (GEOB) is cheaper than the GLOB/GCOB shards. In this way you reward crafters for having achieved a higher crafting level by allowing them to more cheaply make equivalent items.

Cheers,
Kernal