GLOB Shards

[TheDearLeader]

Still require a LDS.

Does not require Soul Gems.

Laaaaame. >.>

I'm pretty sure I have 200 or so of these things piled up somewhere from how often I like to use TtS in Amrath. And still, they remain useless... *sigh*

It already requires a BtA, end-reward based item that comes from level 16 quests (and sadly, only the quest, not the Raids. HoX/VoD/Shroud would benefit from having these in the End Rewards).

So if it's already requiring a specific item like that, why does it also need to cost 500k+ Plat to craft a single one?

Suggestion : Change 1 LDS -> 5 Strong Soul Gems : Essence of the Dominator.

Thoughts?

[Yaga_Nub]

IMHO, no Cannith crafting recipe should need an ingredient from any other type of crafting recipe. I just don't see any reason for it and I doubt that I will change my opinion on that.

[TheDearLeader]

IMHO, no Cannith crafting recipe should need an ingredient from any other type of crafting recipe. I just don't see any reason for it and I doubt that I will change my opinion on that.

Wholly agree.

It's like mixing oil and water, it just doesn't work for me.

Cannith is Cannith, Shroud is Shroud.

Also, it's not like those Soul Gems would be cheap to make, since each would require its own Average Khyber Dragonshard, and those are slow to grind, or at least expensive to crunch from purchased Tinys.

Change it from the ******** Large Devil Scales to something more reasonable like Large Gnawed Bones or Large Splintered Horns.

Or better yet… give us 4 recipes. Level 65 = Large Devil Scale, Level 70 = Large Splintered Horn, Level 75 = 5 Soulgems (Per your suggestion), Level 80 = Large Gnawed Bone.

I still don't like mixing two different crafting types...but this does seem somewhat reasonable. It would not hurt me to have multiple recipes to produce the same result.

[QuantumFX]

I still don't like mixing two different crafting types...but this does seem somewhat reasonable. It would not hurt me to have multiple recipes to produce the same result.

I couldn’t think of any specific collectible that devils drop. If we were talking Chaotic outsiders there would have been a recipe with 50 Planar Spoors.

I think Yaga nailed it when he used the word “need”. We shouldn’t “need” an arcane caster to do our crafting dirty work. We shouldn’t “need” to own specific adventure packs to get through a crafting level. That’s not to say that the devs shouldn’t give Arcanes and Adventure Packs additional flexibility in levelling out crafters. It just shouldn’t be the only way to do it.

[QuantumFX]

Thoughts?

Change it from the ******** Large Devil Scales to something more reasonable like Large Gnawed Bones or Large Splintered Horns.

Or better yet… give us 4 recipes. Level 65 = Large Devil Scale, Level 70 = Large Splintered Horn, Level 75 = 5 Soulgems (Per your suggestion), Level 80 = Large Gnawed Bone.

[sirgog]

Change it from the ******** Large Devil Scales to something more reasonable like Large Gnawed Bones or Large Splintered Horns.

Or better yet… give us 4 recipes. Level 65 = Large Devil Scale, Level 70 = Large Splintered Horn, Level 75 = 5 Soulgems (Per your suggestion), Level 80 = Large Gnawed Bone.

This.

Of course, noone would ever make any of the level 65 ones unless they were desparate, as soul gems and bones are so much cheaper.

[Rawel_San]

Change it from the ******** Large Devil Scales to something more reasonable like Large Gnawed Bones or Large Splintered Horns.

Or better yet… give us 4 recipes. Level 65 = Large Devil Scale, Level 70 = Large Splintered Horn, Level 75 = 5 Soulgems (Per your suggestion), Level 80 = Large Gnawed Bone.

No. If anything add an extra large to it. You're crafting the best boss beater in the game bar epic SoS/chaosblade it should not be free.

[Khurse]

Devil Scales (and other "Shroud" ingredients) drop from more than the Shroud.
I don't see anything wrong with the LDS. It would be nice if the Horns had more uses, but a LDS seems a reasonable cost for a greater bane.

[Gkar]

Devil Scales (and other "Shroud" ingredients) drop from more than the Shroud.
I don't see anything wrong with the LDS. It would be nice if the Horns had more uses, but a LDS seems a reasonable cost for a greater bane.

If you add up the cost of the LDS and all the ingredients that would go into the MinII crafted alternative it will now approach the price of buying the MinII larges. That's not a good thing.

[kernal42]

If you add up the cost of the LDS and all the ingredients that would go into the MinII crafted alternative it will now approach the price of buying the MinII larges. That's not a good thing.

Why not? It's cheaper than a MinII, and (much, much) better than a MinII. I don't understand why this is a subject of complaint.

-Kernal

[TheDearLeader]

Why not? It's cheaper than a MinII, and (much, much) better than a MinII. I don't understand why this is a subject of complaint.

-Kernal

Much better than for one mob.

As someone said to me on my Live version of this discussion thread, if your sole purpose for a Min II is Devils, you're doing it wrong.

That is to say, Min IIs have a lot more going for them than that.

[kernal42]

Much better than for one mob.

As someone said to me on my Live version of this discussion thread, if your sole purpose for a Min II is Devils, you're doing it wrong.

That is to say, Min IIs have a lot more going for them than that.

I disagree entirely. Which is to rephrase as follows:

If your purpose for a MinII is not soley Devils and Demons, you're doing it wrong.

MinII is great for breaking boss devil/demon DR. For everything else, there's LitII.
And for devil/demon DR, there's crafting.

-Kernal

[TheDearLeader]

Devil Scales (and other "Shroud" ingredients) drop from more than the Shroud.
I don't see anything wrong with the LDS. It would be nice if the Horns had more uses, but a LDS seems a reasonable cost for a greater bane.

The crafting of even a +5 Holy Silver of GLOB, more less +5 HBSoGLOB, would exceed 600k plat.

Yeah, it's a nice weapon. For Devils.

And yes, I'm well aware that LDS can drop from more than Shroud. Devil Assault Elite/Epic, Amrath flagging quests + ToD Part 3.

More often than not, when faced with those chests, people find:
No ingredients
Small ingredients
Large Bones.

If having them in DA/Amrath/ToD made such a difference, then the market price would have gone down when these chests started spawning them. Funny, I've only seen their market value go... up?

[Khurse]

The crafting of even a +5 Holy Silver of GLOB, more less +5 HBSoGLOB, would exceed 600k plat.

Yeah, it's a nice weapon. For Devils.

And yes, I'm well aware that LDS can drop from more than Shroud. Devil Assault Elite/Epic, Amrath flagging quests + ToD Part 3.

More often than not, when faced with those chests, people find:
No ingredients
Small ingredients
Large Bones.

If having them in DA/Amrath/ToD made such a difference, then the market price would have gone down when these chests started spawning them. Funny, I've only seen their market value go... up?

So they should only use things for crafting that are cheap and no one cares about?

Large Devil Scales are valuable, therefore it makes sense (to me) to use LDS as a reasonable ingredient use to make the best devil beater.

And yes, it is a nice weapon,for devils. Which make up a fairly decent percentage of the endgame.

Again, no one is forcing anyone to pay a LDS for a devil beater. Holy of Bane will work perfectly well if someone doesn't want to fork out a single LDS per weapon.

[TheDearLeader]

So they should only use things for crafting that are cheap and no one cares about?

Large Devil Scales are valuable, therefore it makes sense (to me) to use LDS as a reasonable ingredient use to make the best devil beater.

And yes, it is a nice weapon,for devils. Which make up a fairly decent percentage of the endgame.

Again, no one is forcing anyone to pay a LDS for a devil beater. Holy of Bane will work perfectly well if someone doesn't want to fork out a single LDS per weapon.

Cheap is a bit of an exaggeration. Other Larges still hold value. Soul Gems still hold value. Certainly, the 200+Greaters and 1000+Lesser Essences that go into Craftable +14 and a +5 HBSoGLOB hold value.

Pretending that the Scale is the only thing of value is putting on Horse Blinders.

[IBCROOTBEER]

Cheap is a bit of an exaggeration. Other Larges still hold value. Soul Gems still hold value. Certainly, the 200+Greaters and 1000+Lesser Essences that go into Craftable +14 and a +5 HBSoGLOB hold value.

Pretending that the Scale is the only thing of value is putting on Horse Blinders.

Would +1 you, if you I hadn't done it already! Several of your posts in this thread need the +1.

It amazes me that people are still forgetting that crafting requires so much more in essences than just the LDS. The shards of potential in order to upgrade a weapon so as to use these shards are already VERY expensive. Guess most of the people complaining that its too 'easy' for people to craft these shards have probably not leveled their crafting or not crafted one of these weapons. I'm still saving essences just to get the shards of potential needed to craft these weapons ... that means I won't be able to level my crafting much for probably a month after I make this post ... unless I want to dump another couple mil plat into it. (current crafting lvls in the 70's and not moving much thanks to the essence cost, already spent my 3 mil plat to get it there. don't feel like i can afford to get to 80's or 90's.)

[Yaga_Nub]

So they should only use things for crafting that are cheap and no one cares about?

Large Devil Scales are valuable, therefore it makes sense (to me) to use LDS as a reasonable ingredient use to make the best devil beater.

And yes, it is a nice weapon,for devils. Which make up a fairly decent percentage of the endgame.

Again, no one is forcing anyone to pay a LDS for a devil beater. Holy of Bane will work perfectly well if someone doesn't want to fork out a single LDS per weapon.

Or they can make HB of LOB and still do good damage. If they want to fork over for one of those pots, which I would in a second because I already have someone with 400 SF favor.

[gloopygloop]

So they should only use things for crafting that are cheap and no one cares about?

Large Devil Scales are valuable, therefore it makes sense (to me) to use LDS as a reasonable ingredient use to make the best devil beater.

And yes, it is a nice weapon,for devils. Which make up a fairly decent percentage of the endgame.

Again, no one is forcing anyone to pay a LDS for a devil beater. Holy of Bane will work perfectly well if someone doesn't want to fork out a single LDS per weapon.

When just about every other crafting recipe uses things that are cheap and no one cares about (Glittering Dusts, Lodestones, Slayer arrows, Greater/Lesser Essences and Chattering Rings), I think that kind of defines the theme of crafting.

Generic, relatively cheap stuff that isn't terribly expensive to create AFTER you go through the insane expense of getting to that level in crafting is what Cannith crafting is all about.

[DrNuegebauer]

The crafting of even a +5 Holy Silver of GLOB, more less +5 HBSoGLOB, would exceed 600k plat.

I fail to see the problem here at all?????????


Why should the best DR breaker for most raid bosses NOT cost a packet????????


It's still cheaper than a Min II (and better) - makes perfect sense to me for it to be 600k.

I don't suppose you ever saw a Holy Silver Evil Outsider Bane (not greater) weapon on the AH BEFORE crafting came out? If you did, you might have noticed those bad boys went for the $600k mark! (and then some)

[pasterqb]

Devil Scales (and other "Shroud" ingredients) drop from more than the Shroud.
I don't see anything wrong with the LDS. It would be nice if the Horns had more uses, but a LDS seems a reasonable cost for a greater bane.

I agree with this.

The way i look at is i could choose to make a Min II for 24 larges or i can spend some essences, silver and cold iron weapons and 1 large scale and 1 blood for a different DR Breaker.

Both have advantages and in my opinion the Min II is more expensive but that is because i dont consider the essences required for leveling in the equation because its a 1 time cost and even without greater banes people would still level up crafting.