GLOB Shards

[FrozenNova]

I disagree entirely. Which is to rephrase as follows:

If your purpose for a MinII is not soley Devils and Demons, you're doing it wrong.

MinII is great for breaking boss devil/demon DR. For everything else, there's LitII.
And for devil/demon DR, there's crafting.

-Kernal

Agreed - if you reach that crafting level and can afford a min2, then you can afford +5 appropriate burst/greater banes. Min2s have very little going for them compared to cannith crafted dr breakers.

[IBCROOTBEER]

Cheap is a bit of an exaggeration. Other Larges still hold value. Soul Gems still hold value. Certainly, the 200+Greaters and 1000+Lesser Essences that go into Craftable +14 and a +5 HBSoGLOB hold value.

Pretending that the Scale is the only thing of value is putting on Horse Blinders.

Would +1 you, if you I hadn't done it already! Several of your posts in this thread need the +1.

It amazes me that people are still forgetting that crafting requires so much more in essences than just the LDS. The shards of potential in order to upgrade a weapon so as to use these shards are already VERY expensive. Guess most of the people complaining that its too 'easy' for people to craft these shards have probably not leveled their crafting or not crafted one of these weapons. I'm still saving essences just to get the shards of potential needed to craft these weapons ... that means I won't be able to level my crafting much for probably a month after I make this post ... unless I want to dump another couple mil plat into it. (current crafting lvls in the 70's and not moving much thanks to the essence cost, already spent my 3 mil plat to get it there. don't feel like i can afford to get to 80's or 90's.)

[kernal42]

Agreed - if you reach that crafting level and can afford a min2, then you can afford +5 appropriate burst/greater banes. Min2s have very little going for them compared to cannith crafted dr breakers.

Indeed.

My primary melee has:
2x LitII
2x MinII
2x +4 holy silver of EOB

I use the MinII for stoneskin, against Lailat, and against the Chronoscope boss in lightning form. If I could craft GLOB/GCOB shards, then I would only use MinII for the stoneskin clickies.

-Kernal

[TheDearLeader]

Indeed.

My primary melee has:
2x LitII
2x MinII
2x +4 holy silver of EOB

I use the MinII for stoneskin, against Lailat, and against the Chronoscope boss in lightning form. If I could craft GLOB/GCOB shards, then I would only use MinII for the stoneskin clickies.

-Kernal

If you could.. meaning you're speaking of crafting something which you have yet to make? A level you have yet to achieve?

I kind of wondered about this... how many people here are saying "Cannith Crafting is easy", or "It's a good cost for a +5 HBSoGLOB..." were talking out of their fourth point of contact.

Hint: It's not just about crafting the shards. It's about putting them all together on one item to be useful. It's cool, keep on trucking, everyone with crafting levels in their mid 40's and 50's...

I'll wait until you reach the 70s, the 80s, the 100s, and we'll see how the tune changes.

[aristarchus1000]

If you could.. meaning you're speaking of crafting something which you have yet to make? A level you have yet to achieve?

I kind of wondered about this... how many people here are saying "Cannith Crafting is easy", or "It's a good cost for a +5 HBSoGLOB..." were talking out of their fourth point of contact.

Hint: It's not just about crafting the shards. It's about putting them all together on one item to be useful. It's cool, keep on trucking, everyone with crafting levels in their mid 40's and 50's...

I'll wait until you reach the 70s, the 80s, the 100s, and we'll see how the tune changes.

Perhaps they are.

To me they seem reasonable. As it was they were nearly obsoleting the Min2. LDS drop from several places, and if you don't have those packs, you can buy them in the AH, since they are unbound. They are expensive, yes, but you ARE making the best end-game boss-beater in the game.

Really, EVERYONE was crafting before this update... if everyone is crafting, that means it was too cheap. Crafting shouldn't appeal to everyone, and people shouldn't feel gimped because they don't want to craft.

[kernal42]

If you could.. meaning you're speaking of crafting something which you have yet to make? A level you have yet to achieve?

I kind of wondered about this... how many people here are saying "Cannith Crafting is easy", or "It's a good cost for a +5 HBSoGLOB..." were talking out of their fourth point of contact.

Hint: It's not just about crafting the shards. It's about putting them all together on one item to be useful. It's cool, keep on trucking, everyone with crafting levels in their mid 40's and 50's...

I'll wait until you reach the 70s, the 80s, the 100s, and we'll see how the tune changes.

This discussion is about the cost of the individual shard. The cost of levelling is different. If I could craft the GLOB shard right now for 5x the listed price, I would. No question.

The price of leveling up in crafting is still high, and I'm only at level ~50 now. When I reach level 63, I will craft this weapon, and I will be happy about the return/material cost. I will be less happy about the return/time cost, but this will be mitigated by the ability to craft other things.

Summary: As I've said before, my preference is that the levelling be easier than it is now, while the cost of individual, desirable shards be high.

Cheers,
Kernal

[zukt]

GLOB or GEOB can cost sure. The problem is it shouldn't use large devil scales. Any other large would be fine, even a bunch of large bones, but using large devil scales further fills everyone's bag with bones. There's already a huge demand for scales simply because of the way the shroud crafting is set up, and further imbalancing the demand is a bad idea.

[jakeelala]

PLEASE RECONSIDER LETTING OTHER SHROUD CRAFTING LARGES BECOME USEFUL IN CRAFTING GREATER BANES.

Making it cost an LDS is really, really, really not cool. I have literally not seen an LDS in 29 consecutive Shroud runs on 3 different toons in the last 2 months.

That's not an exaggeration, I've been writing it down.

[TheDearLeader]

This discussion is about the cost of the individual shard. The cost of levelling is different. If I could craft the GLOB shard right now for 5x the listed price, I would. No question.

The price of leveling up in crafting is still high, and I'm only at level ~50 now. When I reach level 63, I will craft this weapon, and I will be happy about the return/material cost. I will be less happy about the return/time cost, but this will be mitigated by the ability to craft other things.

Summary: As I've said before, my preference is that the levelling be easier than it is now, while the cost of individual, desirable shards be high.

Cheers,
Kernal

The discussion is indeed about the Shard.

But if the Shard has to go onto something, then naturally it will be part of the discussion.

A GLOB shard is useless without a weapon. It is of low to moderate use by it's lonesome. It is of good use with a Holy Shard. It is of better use with a +5 Enhancement Bonus Shard, and a Holy Shard. It is of great use with +5, Holy Burst, and itself. It is of fantastic use with a +5, Holy Burst, Silver Weapon, Itself, and Shards of Potential 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14.

To discuss the shard as if it was in a void would be silly.

And your opinion is that leveling should be easy. Reality is, after a certain point, it is not. It will be even more difficult, now that the "easy" way of leveling has been removed. So, now we're looking at difficult leveling and inappropriately costly shards, which will penalize Crafters over those who just stick w/Greensteel, by taking the most high-demand ingredient and increasing the demand, while Supply has remained the same.

[Khurse]

PLEASE RECONSIDER LETTING OTHER SHROUD CRAFTING LARGES BECOME USEFUL IN CRAFTING GREATER BANES.

Making it cost an LDS is really, really, really not cool. I have literally not seen an LDS in 29 consecutive Shroud runs on 3 different toons in the last 2 months.

That's not an exaggeration, I've been writing it down.

And maybe somebody else has run 29 Shrouds without seeing the other ingredient but has pulled numerous scales.
Why should they suffer because you're having a run of bad luck.

Seriously- if they made it Large horns it would be a joke. There's probably so many stockpiled on the servers that tehy may as well not bother putting one in.

A LDS has the most value.
It makes sense that the iingredient having the most value is needed to craft the most valuable appropriate DR breaker.

No one is forcing anyone to craft GEOB/GLOB/GCOB weapons.
Plain banes are easily craftable instead and are perfectly fine DPS wise.
If you want the best DPS weapon, there is a cost associated with it

[waterboytkd]

I'm alright with a LDS cost. Anyone can get those on any class, and out of at least 3 different packs no less. Plus, since it is a high demand ingredient in shard crafting, it will seriously limit the number of GLOBs that come out of crafting.

The Soul Gems I'm not alright with. Mostly for the same reason that keeps getting espoused over and over: only people with arcanes or who ground out a VacII/epic Souleater can farm for em. Making a system that only seriously benefits melees dependent on casters is just awkward, and it will make it too costly for many people to get into (the people that would actually cap a caster just for crafting, I'm guessing, are few and far between).

[jakeelala]

it's already absurdly expensive and time consuming to get the levels and other crafting mats together to make a Holy Burst / GLOB + silver weapon. These things don't grow on trees.

It's expensive enough as it is.

[TheDearLeader]

I'm alright with a LDS cost. Anyone can get those on any class, and out of at least 3 different packs no less. Plus, since it is a high demand ingredient in shard crafting, it will seriously limit the number of GLOBs that come out of crafting.

The Soul Gems I'm not alright with. Mostly for the same reason that keeps getting espoused over and over: only people with arcanes or who ground out a VacII/epic Souleater can farm for em. Making a system that only seriously benefits melees dependent on casters is just awkward, and it will make it too costly for many people to get into (the people that would actually cap a caster just for crafting, I'm guessing, are few and far between).

So you're fine with it requiring a LDS. But you're not fine with Soul Gems, obtained by Green Steel Vacuum II, which requires to make it.. you guessed it.. LDS?

That by itself highlights where I fail to see the merit of this argument. At the very least, the Vac II would be useful to you in a variety of content.

[Blank_Zero]

I'm ok with it.

Raid loot should always surpass lootgen/crafted loot.

So, if you have something crafted that surpasses raid loot, why not use something from a raid to make it?

Crafting is usually used as a bridge step to raid gear in any mmo. In this case, it can be used as a bridge as well as something to work towards AFTER raid gear. It's a nice system.

[Cirian]

Not a fan. I'm not a big crafter, but I am working on my first GS items and this will drive the price of LDS up making it even slower to get my basic GS weapons and gear.

[TheDearLeader]

I'm ok with it.

Raid loot should always surpass lootgen/crafted loot.

So, if you have something crafted that surpasses raid loot, why not use something from a raid to make it?

Crafting is usually used as a bridge step to raid gear in any mmo. In this case, it can be used as a bridge as well as something to work towards AFTER raid gear. It's a nice system.

I'm fine with DDO not being every other MMO. If you're not, please feel free to go play any/other MMO.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk with the above statement - I like how crafting started in DDO. Enough grind of crafting - specific stuff, and you get to make your choice of weaponry/gear. At least you know that with enough application of time, you will get what you're looking for. As opposed to Raids and their RNG loot mechanics, where you could literally never see what you're looking for.

Also... +5 HBSoGLOB, lets say. Surpasses Green Steel, in a very specific situation, yeah? Sure, a prevalent one at end game, but still a specific mob type.

Oh shucks, a ML:20 item surpasses ML:12 weapon. For anyone who plans on even a single TR, regaining these items are equivalent to regaining your Epics.

[agent00skid]

I have a fairly high haggle char who can buy tiny khyber dragonshards from 12 at 85 pp a piece. Which in the end makes 5 average cost about 5500 pp. Nothing compared to a LDS.

[Erikanudan]

Last +1 loot event, we were getting elite DA loots in normal. A LDS, Large Shrap, several smalls, and a keepsake all dropped for our lvl 7-8 alts on first run and our mouths dropped. Needless to say we ransacked for a few more.

The essence 'Farm' during +1 events was even dropping iouns last time ... rather odd for Korthos, but nice to see.

As stated, several places to get LDS outside of Shroud ... AH if nothing else.

Point being, eventually a dedicated crafter could buy/trade/steal for one.

Wouldn't be surprised to see lesser hearts or large guild reknown elixers being offered in trade for an LDS soon.

If you respond that guild reknown elixers are BtA and cannot be traded ... read one someday.

Marjoram

[TheDearLeader]

I have a fairly high haggle char who can buy tiny khyber dragonshards from 12 at 85 pp a piece. Which in the end makes 5 average cost about 5500 pp. Nothing compared to a LDS.

Not everyone has high haggle toons, but I guess that isn't really the point.

The point is, and has been, that the LDS is too much, too expensive, too high value, too...whatever. So, thank you. I'm glad that you cannot compare the two.

[kernal42]

The discussion is indeed about the Shard.

But if the Shard has to go onto something, then naturally it will be part of the discussion.

A GLOB shard is useless without a weapon. It is of low to moderate use by it's lonesome. It is of good use with a Holy Shard. It is of better use with a +5 Enhancement Bonus Shard, and a Holy Shard. It is of great use with +5, Holy Burst, and itself. It is of fantastic use with a +5, Holy Burst, Silver Weapon, Itself, and Shards of Potential 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14.

To discuss the shard as if it was in a void would be silly.

And your opinion is that leveling should be easy. Reality is, after a certain point, it is not. It will be even more difficult, now that the "easy" way of leveling has been removed. So, now we're looking at difficult leveling and inappropriately costly shards, which will penalize Crafters over those who just stick w/Greensteel, by taking the most high-demand ingredient and increasing the demand, while Supply has remained the same.

All of this is true, except the demand for LDS.

The increased usage of LDS for the GLOB shards will be tiny compared to how often LDS are used for greensteel. It will not noticably increase the demand & cost of LDS.

-Kernal