Ingredient Changes again?

[Asmodeus451]

From the Lamania Release notes for 10.2:

Several high level Cannith crafting recipes have had their ingredient requirements changed, including shards for Holy Burst and Attack Bonus +4.

anybody know exactly what these changes are? i'd check it myself but Lama-land wont work on my comp for some reason

[Bodic]

silver flame and yugo pots changed up per rrlease notes..

so should not be favor req'd, but will have a cost/dropped.

[Scraap]

Tried checking. It's at 75 again.

[Gratan]

From the Lamania Release notes for 10.2:

Several high level Cannith crafting recipes have had their ingredient requirements changed, including shards for Holy Burst and Attack Bonus +4.

anybody know exactly what these changes are? i'd check it myself but Lama-land wont work on my comp for some reason

Silver flame pot got changed to a new item sold by the same vedor that is account bound. So you still need the silver flame favor on one of your toons on the account just doesnt have to be the crafter anymore.

I forgot to check the yugo one but i think it is similar.

[Darkrok]

Silver flame pot got changed to a new item sold by the same vedor that is account bound. So you still need the silver flame favor on one of your toons on the account just doesnt have to be the crafter anymore.

I forgot to check the yugo one but i think it is similar.

Really have to hand it to the dev's here. They listened to the reasoned and calm feedback from people here on the boards and implemented what they wanted to have in (silver flame/yugo favor req'd on a toon on the account for certain crafting) in the way the community said made the most sense (bta new item that didn't force them to make the pots bta but also didn't force the crafter to be the one w/ the favor).

Honestly they've listened to pretty much everything the community came out and said on crafting. I still would have rather them left all the old shard recipes alone and made the shards of potential much harder to make at higher level but other than that philosophical difference I love where they've gone after these changes.

[Jaid314]

Silver flame pot got changed to a new item sold by the same vedor that is account bound. So you still need the silver flame favor on one of your toons on the account just doesnt have to be the crafter anymore.

I forgot to check the yugo one but i think it is similar.

well, you only need it if you're planning on buying the ingredient rather than finding it in a chest.

[Diyon]

well, you only need it if you're planning on buying the ingredient rather than finding it in a chest.

Something else to note, I believe the notes said the ones that drop in chests won't be bound, so you could buy them off AH.

[IBCROOTBEER]

I still would have rather them left all the old shard recipes alone and made the shards of potential much harder to make at higher level ...

have you tried making the shards of potential for a +5 HB + GB weapon ? they are INCREDIBLY expensive when you add the mats up from shards 6-13 ... and you want to make it harder ? are you crazy? lol

[Khurse]

Both also (iirc) now need the Mystical Plant ingredient thing from Vale quests.

Can't remember if they were needed last build.

[Kinerd]

Really have to hand it to the dev's here. They listened to the reasoned and calm feedback from people here on the boards and implemented what they wanted to have in (silver flame/yugo favor req'd on a toon on the account for certain crafting) in the way the community said made the most sense (bta new item that didn't force them to make the pots bta but also didn't force the crafter to be the one w/ the favor).

Honestly they've listened to pretty much everything the community came out and said on crafting. I still would have rather them left all the old shard recipes alone and made the shards of potential much harder to make at higher level but other than that philosophical difference I love where they've gone after these changes.

Except that you still need to have every single Silver Flame pack (or VIP) to get 400 Silver Flame favor. This makes the crafting changes seem less like a thoughtful balancing act and more like a pretty despicable bait and switch.

Both the crafting changes themselves and the entire handling of the situation has been incredibly tone-deaf on Turbine's part, to the point where I can't believe that any one person is actually in charge. This kind of catastrophic decision-making can only come from a vacuum bureaucracy three or four levels removed from the actual game (also allowing them to hide from any direct blame and let MadFloyd fall on his sword, that's a real classy move). It's really frustrating as a player to see a system with so much potential be so poorly handled, not least because it saps hope for future development.

[Scraap]

So now it's up, after a re-review... they changed the names of things, and added a low drop-rate alternate way of getting them. It's still the same basic premise as before.

[Diyon]

So now it's up, after a re-review... they changed the names of things, and added a low drop-rate alternate way of getting them. It's still the same basic premise as before.

Not quite:

"Two new items can now be purchased from Silver Flame and Yugoloth patron vendors called "Mark of the Silver Flame" and "Mark of the Yugoloth" that can be used for high-level Cannith crafting recipes. These items can also be found randomly in chests and end rewards. Randomly-acquired marks are unbound, while vendor-purchased marks are Bound to Account."

Being able to bypass the favor or semi-rare drop via AH makes a big difference IMO.

From the release notes: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066

[Scraap]

Being able to bypass the favor or semi-rare drop via AH makes a big difference IMO.

To a degree. It does irritate less than taking my 20 into necro 1 and 3 to pick up spares, then never TRing him.

Of course, that also depends on drop-rate.

What it does not do, is address the problem of dr breakers by addressing dr breakers directly, instead of hitting one component that you can pull anywhere. (No really, the day the crafting hall closed, I pulled a holyburst from lordsmarch, and 2 from a higher toon killing time vale farming. Actual silver weapons on the other hand...) Nor does it mesh very well with

That said, I'm already reading loud and clear that any ingredient that can only be obtained by forcing the actual crafting toon to complete content (e.g. favor rewards) is objectionable.
Understood. Thanks.

unless we're talking at least the drop-rate of those signets of vol, or for practical purposes, that is an option that may as well not exist, since it's *also* limited by blanks.

tl;dr : wrong angle still. Far rather they either make the combo expensive with an additional requirement when adding a shard to a silver, or give us some nasties to mow down that aren't benefited by the weapon-flavor-of-the-month (ok, going on years now, but still ). That way, there's already a system in place if they do find certain other ones throw them off later.