Byoh

[Sleepsalot]

Still a level 4 Cleric at best has Cure Moderate wounds that's what 15-25 hp max heal???

[arkonas]

if they say byoh and you join it means no its not required of you to heal anyone but yourself. now is it a bonus to toss them one or 2 every once a while sure why not. it makes people laugh. when i tred my fvs and i didnt want to be a babysitter i wrote byoh

My stipulation was if your near me i do mass heals and hug me if you needed it but if you go off on your own well i think you figured that out already. i didnt want to be a nannybot. just do my thing kill stuff and healed if you kept up with me. im not a zerger or elitist but there are days where you just want to get it done and dont want to hold hands


So when you break it down no one can get mad at you if you choose not to heal since the group was byoh. there are still people out there that actually read lfms and still do it unless they just happen to be near your mass or bursts

[innersphere1]

Laugh at your party leader when he dies

[Crystalizer]

"byoh" should mean being self sufficient but not closed mind, when group gathers why not some mass cure, i guess this is what is mostly expected

[tdocxxericxx]

BYOH means be self sufficient. That said it is always a good idea to do whatever you can to help the party.

Tossing a heal or two is a good idea. But you shouldnt have to babysit.

[oldkraft]

BYOH-playing is, at the core,
WOW, not DDO.
The very expression did not exist in this game jargon before p2p
- and the invasion of 'I-me-mine'--players.
90% of it is actually hireling-use or the rarer dualbox-method and not any glorious heroicly expensive 'selfhealing'.
Anyway its a way to face a challenge, as good as any other ways at that...

But when it is combined with 'ZERG', which is not always clear in an lfm ???

yes entering - on BYOH-basis and with no room for hireling - a totally messed up instance where nothing is killed, every mob splintered and running around in strange places, where even sniffing a withered flower creates red alert .....
... thats not straight BYOH .-... most often more like fu very much.
But I know pple (multi-TR's ...) who stage such stuff with no bad intentions
Our Varr on Cannith is an honorable example - way remains cleared and you are actually healed if possible.
if you ever make it to where he is - but he has horrible 'collegues'.

Take it or leave it then - depends on how well you know the quest, but you have absolutely no obligations to save, heal or bring to shrine, anyone there - if anyone from upfront scorn you while you close-death-experience your way through their leftover mob-litter. If that is your choice.

[blade_of_will]

When I see a BYOH I read it as "hey, would be nice to have people to quest with, but be able to take care of your self and dont expect me or anyone else to do it for you." so... even if you are a divine, healing should not be your priority and your party should not expect it to be. That said, if someone dies when you could easily have saved them and saved 10% xp, or if you wipe/fail the quest because you decided you didnt want to heal, the party is probably going to get just as mad as they would at that arcane who decided to melee the entire dungeon or the fighter who didnt build any hp and run in blindly attacking the first thing he comes in contact with. You ARE expected to contribute to the party, and if you stubbornly dont heal when its clearly needed.. maybe you need to find better people to group with, easier quests, or a class that doesnt have support as a main role.

[Lithic]

I always run BYOH groups (though I actually put "bring your own heals" so there's no confusion).

On more than one occasion, I have had a cleric join such a group and complain that he wasn't able to heal us enough. One time, the guy actually dropped group because we didn't need his nannybot services.

[Miahoo]

Is it bad if I don't kill mobs with my ftr/barb? Is it bad if I dont do songs with my bard? is it bad if I dont use firewa- eh- spells with my wiz? is it bad if I dont do traps with my rog?

Anyone has his duty. Sure, Dont be a nanybot, dont heal stupid, demand people to be able to take care themselves. But also heal them in and between fights when you can.

Be a teammate!

p.s. I also heal with my rog using heal scrolls to keep the tank/people alive.

[SirShen]

OMG iv been getting it wrong all this time, i thought BYOH was Bring Your Own Halfing. (Joke)


I would still heal even if it said bring your own healing and i was on my cleric or FvS.

[Kriogen]

If the LFM says BYOH, is it bad if I don't heal anyone on my cleric?

Atleast heal yourself so you don't drop dead

I read BYOH as "we'll be busy slaying monsters not babysitting you".

[Paleus]

OMG iv been getting it wrong all this time, i thought BYOH was Bring Your Own Halfing. (Joke)

Here I thought it was Bring Your Own Handwraps. I guess I should stop declining the non-monks that click my LFMs.

[Miahoo]

OMG iv been getting it wrong all this time, i thought BYOH was Bring Your Own Halfing. (Joke)

Once on one of my byoh LFMs, someone apply and post: "Buying hirelings and omw!"

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yes.

But you should only have to do it when it is convienant or in emergencies.

People who join a BYOH run, should be able to take care of any minor boo boos they get along the way. And should not require a baby-sitter.

(of course.....I think that about everyone in any group....)

[Phidius]

BYOH means "bring your own heals".

Not "contribute the best you can", or "looking for a healer but I'm too lazy to change the classes".

If you join an lfm (or put up an lfm) with BYOH and expect someone else to heal you, you're a moron.

Having said that, I run BYOH all the time, and I heal others. But if someone consistently grabs aggro with 5% if their health, they're on their own.

I'll throw them all the raises they want, though

[Thrudh]

If the LFM says BYOH, is it bad if I don't heal anyone on my cleric?

Yes, it's bad... You shouldn't have to spend a lot of your SP on healing, and you shouldn't have to babysit anyone in a BYOH group, but of course you should throw a cure spell now and then to someone who is low on health.

[TheDjinnFor]

Now, if you're truly the most effective member of the party, feel free to solo the quest while they tag along. If you're actually doing this, they shouldn't need heals anyway.

^this

Byoh means (at least for me) that I'm not waiting 30 minutes for a nannybot to join our party; I'd rather start now and fill now and finish it in twenty minutes with some resource usage then start in thirty minutes and complete it in fifteen. I'm willing to use resources to ensure a quicker overall run; if a divine is in the party, however, chances are we'll complete faster if they toss me a heal every once in a while rather than them having me chain-chugging pots and not killing things. So a divine who doesn't heal doesn't really belong in a byoh group, from my perspective.

[Pomdude]

I always thought BYOH meant "Bring your own Hireling" as you will need someone to converse with as the rest of the group zerg off and die.

[PNellesen]

On more than one occasion, I have had a cleric join such a group and complain that he wasn't able to heal us enough. One time, the guy actually dropped group because we didn't need his nannybot services.

My head just exploded...

I can guarantee you, if I join a BYOH group, I will NOT complain if the group doesn't need me to nannybot them. I will instead try to kill-steal from them with every offensive spell on my list

[Phidius]

...
Now, if you're truly the most effective member of the party, feel free to solo the quest while they tag along. If you're actually doing this, they shouldn't need heals anyway. This is not exactly a rare position to be in, for a veteran Divine.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

Which is why it is often easier to carry soulstones than to keep them up.

In a BYOH group, the onus is on you to avoid being in that state.