Sell +3/4 Tomes in the DDO Store and Past Lives

[Milamber69]

After hearing a lot of negative response from this idea, I say, yes.

[Thucydides04]

To everyone that said no, you realize that Turbine already gave you +4 tomes(basically) when they added boat buffs to their store bought +2 tomes. What do you think Gary Gygax(or any DM) would say if he heard you tell him you needed boat buffs?

As far as past lives, I am just saying reduce the repetetiveness... not really sell the feat.

[Inkblack]

Why just +4 tomes? Think of the money they could make selling +5 tomes. Only available in the DDO store, you could really charge a premium price. That would pay for a lot of work on new content.

Oh, how about this? To buy a +2 tome, you have to have used a +1 tome. To buy a +3 tome, you have to have used a +2 tome. And so on... It would be like printing money! Then players could really support the game and ensure it stays around for a long, long time.

[Blank_Zero]

To everyone that said no, you realize that Turbine already gave you +4 tomes(basically) when they added boat buffs to their store bought +2 tomes. What do you think Gary Gygax(or any DM) would say if he heard you tell him you needed boat buffs?

As far as past lives, I am just saying reduce the repetetiveness... not really sell the feat.

Who needs boat buffs? They're just there to make my Lowbies that much faster.

/signed to reduce the tr grind a bit.

[Cyr]

/big not signed

Pay 2 win will lead to the servers being shut down if it keeps on pushing it's way further into the game. A game stops being fun when you just pay for everything instead of playing it.

[Arkat]

Sorry Phresh, but:

/not signed. Too much Pay2Win in this game already.

Tomes aren't the main issue I have though. As much as I'd love to just get the past lives done, there should be a reward for that type of grind. I can agree that the XP requirements are stupid, but there should be some kind of handicap in place, or completionist would be too easy to achieve.

One game that I've seem get it right is Kingdom of Loathing. It's an older, browser based game.

The "TR mechanic" there was a "timer of sorts, that let you only pull a few items from your tr cache per day.

Take a look at it of you want. I'd much prefer that kind of system myself.

Who needs boat buffs? They're just there to make my Lowbies that much faster.

/signed to reduce the tr grind a bit.

???

Signed or Not Signed...which is it?

[elraido]

Rationale?




Well, at least you you said something in addition to "No."


I've been playing since Head Start - over 5.5 years. In that time I've pulled ONE +4 tome (Con) and maybe five +3 tomes. So if there's anyone who should be indignant over such an "easy button" it should be ME.

Guess what? I'm not indignant over this suggestion.

Honestly, a +1 to Hit and to Damage or +20 more hitpoints isn't going to make a whole hell of a lot of difference really.

I do agree that it would seem like it would lessen some incentive to run certain raids but so what? Just make another toon and run those raids again and again for the Raid Loot. Rinse and Repeat. We're all doing that anyway, aren't we?

Oh because if you bought +4 tomes in the store, a person can go from a 28 point build to a 52!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zess-wolf]

This ^^

Again...No ;p

[Arkat]

Oh because if you bought +4 tomes in the store, a person can go from a 28 point build to a 52!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure what your point is. Care to explain?

[Kza]

/signed

Great idea, keep em comming :-)

[mindlessdrone1991]

I think selling +4 tomes in the DDO store is a bad idea. I remember when +2 tomes, 32-point builds, and other similar things were being considered for addition to the store. There was a LOT of griping about easy buttons, blahblahblah. But the ONE thing that EVERYONE seemed to agree on: keep raid loot out of the store.

As far as I know (outside of events like festivult), +3 and +4 stat tomes can only drop from raids. Thus, they constitute "raid loot." Unlike account upgrades or even +2 tomes, there is a direct parallel between +3/4 tomes and, say, a Sword of Shadows or other highly desired raid items. Any distinction made between +3/4 tomes and other raid-specific items seems like it would be very weak or seemingly arbitrary, in which case one could argue: why not put those items in the store?

Putting +3 or +4 tomes in the DDO store puts the game one step closer to "pay-to-win." Anyone who claims that a +4 tome will only get you +1 to damage, or spell DCs, or +20 hit points is being disingenuous. The limitations on tomes require people to make certain sacrifices when building their character.

TL;DR /not signed. Complaints about pay-to-win and selling raid loot.

[Darkrok]

Please no. Pay to win is a quick path to a dead game.

[Arkat]

Please no. Pay to win is a quick path to a dead game.

So let me get this straight. If I somehow am fortunate to acquire +4 tomes (one way or another) for all stats on my main toon, I've won DDO? Really?

[Thucydides04]

I think selling +4 tomes in the DDO store is a bad idea. I remember when +2 tomes, 32-point builds, and other similar things were being considered for addition to the store. There was a LOT of griping about easy buttons, blahblahblah. But the ONE thing that EVERYONE seemed to agree on: keep raid loot out of the store.

As far as I know (outside of events like festivult), +3 and +4 stat tomes can only drop from raids. Thus, they constitute "raid loot." Unlike account upgrades or even +2 tomes, there is a direct parallel between +3/4 tomes and, say, a Sword of Shadows or other highly desired raid items. Any distinction made between +3/4 tomes and other raid-specific items seems like it would be very weak or seemingly arbitrary, in which case one could argue: why not put those items in the store?

Putting +3 or +4 tomes in the DDO store puts the game one step closer to "pay-to-win." Anyone who claims that a +4 tome will only get you +1 to damage, or spell DCs, or +20 hit points is being disingenuous. The limitations on tomes require people to make certain sacrifices when building their character.

TL;DR /not signed. Complaints about pay-to-win and selling raid loot.

You ever run Dragon/Titan/DQ on non epic settings? +2 Tomes drop in there, that is raid loot. Raid Loot is in the store already with small and medium ingredients....

[morrok73]

Can we also have completionist tokens,max favor tokens and make all mobs CR 1 tokens. Pfft why bother playing the game,just win it and move on.

[Inkblack]

I'm trying to think of some reasonable price points:

$ 10 +1 tome, $ 50 superior
$ 30 +2 tome, $150 superior
$ 60 +3 tome, $300 superior
$100 +4 tome, $500 superior
$150 +5 tome, $750 superior

Basically you'd price it so high that only a few would do it. People would actually feel bad for people that spent that much on the game. I mean, $750 is the same contribution as someone that's been VIP for over 4 years, but they would be dropping it on one character in a few seconds. If 100 people buy superior +5's a month, it's almost $1kk per year for minimal development effort.

[shimagun]

I think the DDO Store ought to sell +3 and +4 tomes as well as Past Life Tokens.

Regarding +3/4 Tomes:

Turbine has already placed +2 tomes in the store, which used to be valuable in game items. There has also been the introduction of ship buffs and countless other non DnD buffs implemented into the game. I don't think that adding the ability for players to get +1 to a given/all stat modifiers is game breaking or even game changing. There is currently a way to get these items in game so it is not going to be a case where people "have to purchase" them.

Regarding Past Lives:

Sell "Improved" True Hearts of Wood that allow players to True Reincarnate their toons using the first life experience table. Allow players to purchase one of these hearts with 50 epic dungeon tokens. Current XP requirements were poorly thought out (especially for 3rd Life + toons) and I think that this would make TRing more accesible to the masses.

Prices: +3 Tomes - 6000 turbine points
+4 Tomes - 11000 turbine points
Improved True Heart of Wood - 25000 turbine points
Token Exchange 300 epic dungeon tokens

There it's balanced now.

[BurnerD]

not for the selling of higher + tomes.

maybe i could see higher % xp pots for TR's, but that's about as far as I'd go.....

[MaxwellEdison]

You ever run Dragon/Titan/DQ on non epic settings? +2 Tomes drop in there, that is raid loot. Raid Loot is in the store already with small and medium ingredients....

+2 tomes also drop from end reward on a normal completion of weapons shipment. Dropping in raids and from non raid content does not make it raid loot. Dropping only in raids does.

[Thucydides04]

+2 tomes also drop from end reward on a normal completion of weapons shipment. Dropping in raids and from non raid content does not make it raid loot. Dropping only in raids does.

You see Raid Loot dropping from the Jester?