OHHHH NOOS. It's impossible

[Doxmaster]

it has become fashion in cannith to decline rogues

And yet, I've seen 4 PM only pugs in the last month. 1 Normal, 2 Hard, and 1 elite that I wasn't in time to join.

3 of these went up while other shroud runs were up.

[stainer]

Shroud run I have the star. We take the 1st 12. We're doomed to fail it's impossible to finish we have no fighters or barbs. We have 3 casters, 1 pally, 2 healers, (thanks to Emili getting her cleric) and the rest are rogues. Emili is brave enough to volounteer to heal and swithces from her caster before I could offer to get mine (I think she was on her caster). Not many noobs would give the group a chance. No fighter or barb it's impossible to finish. It can't be done. Long story short Harry dropped like a portal in parts 4 & 5 and it went off without a hitch, no deaths, etc.. In a straight PUG.

So we do another run. This time it's the same thing exept it's monks instead of rougues. Still no barbs and only one fighter. End result? The same thing. Harry didn't drop quit as fast but close to as fast. No deaths, no issues.

But wait Mr. noob says we can't do it we need a tank!

Just goes to show us that any class can carry one of your gimps through the shroud.

[Moltier]

So this is why one of your guildies declined my rogue for [nothing else than] "Enter The Kobolds"! A quest I solo dozens of times with this very rogue (evasion owns this quest).

I doubt there is any connection between my last post and your decline. :P
If you wanna know why you got declined, ask the party leader. But hey, at least he declined, and didnt ignore you like many people still do on Cannith. :/

[Mithran]

Any time I hear a collective sigh of relief that's almost post-orgasmic when I join a group on a Fighter or Barbarian, I get worried. Then there's the observations of 'good thing we got a tank' when I'm slicing through stuff and I know it's just reinforcing the mistaken preconception the OP cites. I'd do the same thing on my Ranger, but I'd be able to use a wand on myself, too.

[Miahoo]

I doubt there is any connection between my last post and your decline. :P
If you wanna know why you got declined, ask the party leader. But hey, at least he declined, and didnt ignore you like many people still do on Cannith. :/

Its related to this thread.

And I dont really care. His LFM was up for about an hour or so.

And.. in the same subject, your very guild leader:

I saw TR'ed ranger with 7 CON... Sadly, I cant say that rogues and rangers are dps, till at least half of them are not just soulstone materials... The correct words maybe: some rogue is dps. Mostly the ones, who can stay alive, and can hit the mobs even on epics.

Back to topic

Marked in red for you.

I know much more fighters and barbs that ended up as soulstones. But no one ever blame their poor build/stats.
"The fighter died? man... it must been a hard fight, he had no other choice. Lets just blame the jhealer!"

[mws2970]

On Sarlona yesterday, we completed a 1 round pt 4 with only 10 people in group because we had a barb and another monk DC. IIRC, we had 3 monks, a paladin, 2 casters, 2 FvS, and the other 2 I don't remember. Part 5 was no problem either. Can we say DoT's FTW? :P

[Moltier]

Its related to this thread.

And I dont really care. His LFM was up for about an hour or so.

And.. in the same subject, your very guild leader: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=49



Marked in red for you.

I know much more fighters and barbs that ended up as soulstones. But no one ever blame their poor build/stats.
"The fighter died? man... it must been a hard fight, he had no other choice. Lets just blame the jhealer!"

He isnt our leader. Also what he said is somewhat true. Some, but not all rogues are dps.
Everyone know there are 150-200hp wonders you dont wanna see in your tod, shroud, eadq...
But yes, we have to teach him for a few things. He declines rogues and rangers too often, without asking about their hp. Work in progress already, but it takes some time.

[elraido]

I don't care what toons you have in a shroud. Most of them are level 20's. If you have a group of level 20's in a level 16 raid, you better complete...and it better be half way smooth. It is like people are looking for a pat on the back for the most simple of things now a days...geez. Now go take that sub optimal group, make them level 13's with no dr breakers....that is how us vets did it back in the day!!!

[Fejj]

Its related to this thread.

And I dont really care. His LFM was up for about an hour or so.

And.. in the same subject, your very guild leader:


Marked in red for you.

I know much more fighters and barbs that ended up as soulstones. But no one ever blame their poor build/stats.
"The fighter died? man... it must been a hard fight, he had no other choice. Lets just blame the jhealer!"

There could be other reasons your were declined ..... just sayin

[Tap4black]

Shroud run I have the star. We take the 1st 12. We're doomed to fail it's impossible to finish we have no fighters or barbs. We have 3 casters, 1 pally, 2 healers, (thanks to Emili getting her cleric) and the rest are rogues. Emili is brave enough to volounteer to heal and swithces from her caster before I could offer to get mine (I think she was on her caster). Not many noobs would give the group a chance. No fighter or barb it's impossible to finish. It can't be done. Long story short Harry dropped like a portal in parts 4 & 5 and it went off without a hitch, no deaths, etc.. In a straight PUG.

So we do another run. This time it's the same thing exept it's monks instead of rougues. Still no barbs and only one fighter. End result? The same thing. Harry didn't drop quit as fast but close to as fast. No deaths, no issues.

But wait Mr. noob says we can't do it we need a tank!

You'd have loved the shroud I was in the other night BeerGuy. 1 Monk, 10 FVS and me on one of my Sorcs to feed those winged monstrosities haste and wreck the elemental in part 2

Completion time, 11 minutes, though I am still unsure what the monk was for.

[mws2970]

I don't care what toons you have in a shroud. Most of them are level 20's. If you have a group of level 20's in a level 16 raid, you better complete...and it better be half way smooth. It is like people are looking for a pat on the back for the most simple of things now a days...geez. Now go take that sub optimal group, make them level 13's with no dr breakers....that is how us vets did it back in the day!!!

And git off mah lawn?

[jydog100]

Shroud run I have the star. We take the 1st 12. We're doomed to fail it's impossible to finish we have no fighters or barbs. We have 3 casters, 1 pally, 2 healers, (thanks to Emili getting her cleric) and the rest are rogues. Emili is brave enough to volounteer to heal and swithces from her caster before I could offer to get mine (I think she was on her caster). Not many noobs would give the group a chance. No fighter or barb it's impossible to finish. It can't be done. Long story short Harry dropped like a portal in parts 4 & 5 and it went off without a hitch, no deaths, etc.. In a straight PUG.

So we do another run. This time it's the same thing exept it's monks instead of rougues. Still no barbs and only one fighter. End result? The same thing. Harry didn't drop quit as fast but close to as fast. No deaths, no issues.

But wait Mr. noob says we can't do it we need a tank!

haha Eric, epic fail. you should know better than that.
You know my "barbarian" is always up for a fun shroud!!!!!

anyways, what gets me the most is seeing an lfm for shroud for dps with no bard in the group and ill get turned down on one of my bards. Ouch, if they only knew..............

[jydog100]

Completion time, 11 minutes, though I am still unsure what the monk was for.

hordo has a monk??

[elraido]

And git off mah lawn?

More along the lines of
"We used to be 'with it', but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what we're with isn't 'it', and what's 'it' seems weird and scary. It'll happen to yoooouuu." -Grampa Simpson

[Beer_Dude]

Just goes to show us that any class can carry one of your gimps through the shroud.

Suck it! That is all.

[Beer_Dude]

I don't care what toons you have in a shroud. Most of them are level 20's. If you have a group of level 20's in a level 16 raid, you better complete...and it better be half way smooth. It is like people are looking for a pat on the back for the most simple of things now a days...geez. Now go take that sub optimal group, make them level 13's with no dr breakers....that is how us vets did it back in the day!!!

I sometimes miss those days. I remember Busting ass to get to 13 just so you could do Shroud with another toon so you could get more ingredients. Don't let the join date fool you you're not the only person who was around back then doing it at level 13 and even then we were doing it with party make ups like the one I listed.

Now with 17 toons I can't even get them all thru a Shroud run before they're off timer again. I jumped on one of my toms last night and he had 45 runs in there and was only level 18 and still got xp for the run. I was like man this dudes been neglected for a while. Lol

[Beer_Dude]

The Shroud Guide I wrote (in german) sais: The Raid goes just as fine with Rangers, Monks and Rogues as it does with Fighters, Barbs and Palas. The only things that matter are enough HP, heavy fort and beaters, (along with ears and a brain ).

+1 my 1st laugh of morning

[Beer_Dude]

haha Eric, epic fail. you should know better than that.
You know my "barbarian" is always up for a fun shroud!!!!!

anyways, what gets me the most is seeing an lfm for shroud for dps with no bard in the group and ill get turned down on one of my bards. Ouch, if they only knew..............

I miss running with your "barbarian" Rick and I are almost back at level to run with him again.

[jydog100]

I miss running with your "barbarian" Rick and I are almost back at level to run with him again.

I miss running with my "barbarian" as well, seems everyone wants me on a bard or caster.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Sometimes I try to join a quest on my Rogue, or some other class, and get a response like "sry, we just need a tank". To which I sometimes reply "I've killed a few monsters in my day."

Or I see those groups that I am already in, that insist they need a tank, and I am so tempted to ask them "Why?" "didn't they teach you to kill monsters in caster (or other class) school?"

Different if they actualy need a designated tank to hold agro....but even then other classes can and have done it.

I am such a believer in just taking whoever wants to come along and giving it a shot with what you can get. Rather than waiting around for some perfect group.

The most fun groups I've been in over the years have been the ones that did not have what others considered the required class mix to complete. And some of them were totally mis-matched.

Also says something about the players in those groups though. It takes a certain kind of player and attitude to do something like that. And the players who are willing to try are also the most prepared for it as well.