Monkey Grip

[Lucian_Navarro]

Let's bring the DPS orgy and introduce "Monkey Grip" to allow a normally two-handed weapon to be wielded one-handed!!!

Insane right?

Hey... Minotaur Lords can dual wield great axes, why can't a halfling?

[totalmir]

Nty.

[Memnir]

I could be wrong, but haven't the Devs said No to this on an occasion or two?

[MaxwellEdison]

Not until my monk can figure out the mind-bogglingly intricate technology to let him wrap a different strip of magic cloth on each fist. Or Lit II wraps, either is fine.

[Lucian_Navarro]

I'm not being serious... just good poking and fun.

[teh_meh]

Not a PnP expert but a guildie was telling me how MG works in the other format. Comes with some staggering penalties. So even if we get it, it might not rank as top DPS or anything close to that. More of a novelty sounds like.

Maybe a better informed nerd will come along and elaborate for us.

[AZgreentea]

I remember from when I started playing, all of the angry "I will burn my subscription cards if any of the misinformed players ask for "Monkey Grip" because its not what you think it is" threads.

I still think its a good idea, but then I still think character size restrictions on weapons is a good idea. My Halfling should not be wielding a Great Axe like she was a Horc, but thats why I avoid rolling characters that can do that.

[MaxwellEdison]

Not a PnP expert but a guildie was telling me how MG works in the other format. Comes with some staggering penalties. So even if we get it, it might not rank as top DPS or anything close to that. More of a novelty sounds like.

Maybe a better informed nerd will come along and elaborate for us.

Monkey Grip [General, Fighter]
You are able to use a larger weapon than other people your size.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can use melee weapons one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, but the amount of effort it takes you to use the weapon does not change. For instance, a Large longsword (a one-handed weapon for a Large creature) is considered a two-handed weapon for a Medium creature that does not have this feat. For a Medium creature that has this feat, it is still considered a one-handed weapon. You can wield a larger light weapon as a light weapon, or a larger two-handed weapon in two hands. You cannot wield a larger weapon in your off hand, and you cannot use this feat with a double weapon.
Normal: You can use a melee weapon one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, and the amount of effort it takes to use the weapon increases. A larger light weapon is considered a one-handed weapon, a larger one-handed weapon is considered a two-handed weapon, and you cannot use a larger two-handed weapon at all.
Special: A fighter may select Monkey Grip as one of his fighter bonus feats.

[ddo.rsmo.pt]

I remember from when I started playing, all of the angry "I will burn my subscription cards if any of the misinformed players ask for "Monkey Grip" because its not what you think it is" threads.

I also remembered that Monkey Grip is not what most people think it is. And as MaxwellEdison showed, it is not what you think it is.

Because a Greatsword is not a Large Longsword, a Great Axe is not a Large Battleaxe, etc...

But no, it will never happen, unless they make epic feats when they release levels 21-30, and make this one possible.

[articwarrior]

Monkey Grip [General, Fighter]
You are able to use a larger weapon than other people your size.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can use melee weapons one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, but the amount of effort it takes you to use the weapon does not change. For instance, a Large longsword (a one-handed weapon for a Large creature) is considered a two-handed weapon for a Medium creature that does not have this feat. For a Medium creature that has this feat, it is still considered a one-handed weapon. You can wield a larger light weapon as a light weapon, or a larger two-handed weapon in two hands. You cannot wield a larger weapon in your off hand, and you cannot use this feat with a double weapon.
Normal: You can use a melee weapon one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, and the amount of effort it takes to use the weapon increases. A larger light weapon is considered a one-handed weapon, a larger one-handed weapon is considered a two-handed weapon, and you cannot use a larger two-handed weapon at all.
Special: A fighter may select Monkey Grip as one of his fighter bonus feats.

And therefore: Dual Wielding Mini eSoS! gimmeh!

[Blank_Zero]

And therefore: Dual Wielding Mini eSoS! gimmeh!

Yes plz.

[MaxwellEdison]

A greatsword is not a large longsword. A large longsword is a longsword for large creatures, all DDO player races are set to medium, afaik. Even the Toothpick is not considered a giant toothpick, it is a rapier. Monkey Grip would do nothing because size categories are practically nonexistent (excepting size bonuses to hide/sneak for halflings or str/dmg for ram's might). Be happy they aren't in or your halfling rogue couldn't dual wield khopeshes, even with Monkey Grip.

[heyytoi]

Let's bring the DPS orgy and introduce "Monkey Grip" to allow a normally two-handed weapon to be wielded one-handed!!!

Insane right?

Hey... Minotaur Lords can dual wield great axes, why can't a halfling?

Id like to dual wield halflings..

Wait, what?...

[AZgreentea]

I also remembered that Monkey Grip is not what most people think it is. And as MaxwellEdison showed, it is not what you think it is.

Because a Greatsword is not a Large Longsword, a Great Axe is not a Large Battleaxe, etc...

But no, it will never happen, unless they make epic feats when they release levels 21-30, and make this one possible.

Its true I'm not intimately familiar with the size limits. The only small races I used in D&D games that had the restriction never attempted to use Monkey Grip the way it was intended. So my Halflings never used anything larger than what they were permitted to use in one hand in 3.5 rules without MG, ect. Come to think of it, I dont think I have ever rolled a two handed weapon melee class in a wep size restricted version of D&D. I have always been dual wield or S&B. Thats odd, now that it occurs to me, lol.

[azrael4h]

Id like to dual wield halflings..

Wait, what?...

Bah! Kobolds are where it's at! You can tie two together and make nunchucks. Dual Wield Kobold-chucks Yo!

[DeltaBravo]

But really .. 2 epic sos....!! DROOLS.

[WirelessJoe]

Id like to dual wield halflings..

Wait, what?...

I'd like to dual wield halflings who are each dual wielding khopeshes.

[TheDearLeader]

TL;DR

Is this where I dual-wield Green Steel Halflings?

[Rakian_Knight]

The idea that monkey grip allows you to duel wield greatswords for example come from a variant in the DMG.

Variant: Weapon Equivalencies
The party slays a drider armed with magic short swords. The party's halfling rogue is delighted. Even the party's human ranger wants one of the swords. As DM, you gently remind them they while they are short swords, they are Large weapons (see Weapon Categories on page 112 of the Player's Handbook). The human ranger can use one of them as a one-handed weapon at a -2 penalty, and the halfling rogue can use one as a two-handed weapon at a -4 penalty.

The rules on weapons categories are based on the idea that most weapon do not look like smaller or larger versions of other weapons, nor are they used in the same fashion. The shape of a longsword reflects its primary use; it is not simply a big dagger. This variant suggest weapons equivalencies for DMs who wish to offer their players more utility from monster weapons. If a weapon has an equivalent, a character proficient in the equivalent can use the weapon with no penalty.

On the table below, find the medium weapon in question in the left column and then read across to the size of the creature in question. For instance, a medium battleaxe is equivalent in this system to a large handaxe. Alternatively, find the size of the wielder and read down the column until you find its weapon. The weapon column then shows what is equivalent for a Medium character. For example, a large battleaxe is equivalent in this system to a medium greataxe.

With this variant: A Greatsword can be used as a large longsword for example and then people use Monkey Grip with this variant to say that they can use a Large one handed weapon with one hand and say they can duel wield them. I hope this helps.

[Uska]

The idea that monkey grip allows you to duel wield greatswords for example come from a variant in the DMG.



With this variant: A Greatsword can be used as a large longsword for example and then people use Monkey Grip with this variant to say that they can use a Large one handed weapon with one hand and say they can duel wield them. I hope this helps.

but monkey grip states you cant use a larger weapon in your off hand so many miss that line I think