Monkey Grip

[Lucian_Navarro]

Let's bring the DPS orgy and introduce "Monkey Grip" to allow a normally two-handed weapon to be wielded one-handed!!!

Insane right?

Hey... Minotaur Lords can dual wield great axes, why can't a halfling?

[totalmir]

Nty.

[Memnir]

I could be wrong, but haven't the Devs said No to this on an occasion or two?

[MaxwellEdison]

Not until my monk can figure out the mind-bogglingly intricate technology to let him wrap a different strip of magic cloth on each fist. Or Lit II wraps, either is fine.

[gloopygloop]

Not until my monk can figure out the mind-bogglingly intricate technology to let him wrap a different strip of magic cloth on each fist. Or Lit II wraps, either is fine.

I'd be satisfied with handwraps that acutally do what is listed on the handwraps.

Dual weilding halflings sounds good too, though.

[Talias006]

but monkey grip states you cant use a larger weapon in your off hand so many miss that line I think

This is where creative rules lawyering comes into play. The not being able to wield Large longswords in the offhand is itself offset by the Feat: Oversize Two Weapon Fighting.
Feats in and of themselves usually only refer to normal variances and situations. OTWF coupled with MG is an extenuating circumstance.
The precedence is there, if you know how to find it and twist it around with logic to the way you want something affected. Been there, done that.
The only thing you cannot bend to your thinking is WotC, and their decisions are final.
And while particularly unwieldy in a general sense, it's pretty cool to know that you *can* possibly perform these impressively heroic acts.

[ddo.rsmo.pt]

Just as gentle reminder: DDO is not D&D. It has that 'O' in the end, as in:

"Oh! DDO has nothing to do with D&D! Oh!"

[Talias006]

Just as gentle reminder: DDO is not D&D. It has that 'O' in the end, as in:

"Oh! DDO has nothing to do with D&D! Oh!"

I like it better being D&D'oh. Homer Simpson style!

[Souless]

Not until my monk can figure out the mind-bogglingly intricate technology to let him wrap a different strip of magic cloth on each fist. Or Lit II wraps, either is fine.

LMFAO

/signed

The Bytcher~

Souless/Spectyr/Tazzor/Xbow/Xindao/Vampir/Valice/Richgirl

[Lucian_Navarro]

I'm not being serious... just good poking and fun.

[teh_meh]

Not a PnP expert but a guildie was telling me how MG works in the other format. Comes with some staggering penalties. So even if we get it, it might not rank as top DPS or anything close to that. More of a novelty sounds like.

Maybe a better informed nerd will come along and elaborate for us.

[MaxwellEdison]

Not a PnP expert but a guildie was telling me how MG works in the other format. Comes with some staggering penalties. So even if we get it, it might not rank as top DPS or anything close to that. More of a novelty sounds like.

Maybe a better informed nerd will come along and elaborate for us.

Monkey Grip [General, Fighter]
You are able to use a larger weapon than other people your size.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can use melee weapons one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, but the amount of effort it takes you to use the weapon does not change. For instance, a Large longsword (a one-handed weapon for a Large creature) is considered a two-handed weapon for a Medium creature that does not have this feat. For a Medium creature that has this feat, it is still considered a one-handed weapon. You can wield a larger light weapon as a light weapon, or a larger two-handed weapon in two hands. You cannot wield a larger weapon in your off hand, and you cannot use this feat with a double weapon.
Normal: You can use a melee weapon one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, and the amount of effort it takes to use the weapon increases. A larger light weapon is considered a one-handed weapon, a larger one-handed weapon is considered a two-handed weapon, and you cannot use a larger two-handed weapon at all.
Special: A fighter may select Monkey Grip as one of his fighter bonus feats.

[articwarrior]

Monkey Grip [General, Fighter]
You are able to use a larger weapon than other people your size.
Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: You can use melee weapons one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, but the amount of effort it takes you to use the weapon does not change. For instance, a Large longsword (a one-handed weapon for a Large creature) is considered a two-handed weapon for a Medium creature that does not have this feat. For a Medium creature that has this feat, it is still considered a one-handed weapon. You can wield a larger light weapon as a light weapon, or a larger two-handed weapon in two hands. You cannot wield a larger weapon in your off hand, and you cannot use this feat with a double weapon.
Normal: You can use a melee weapon one size category larger than you are with a –2 penalty on the attack roll, and the amount of effort it takes to use the weapon increases. A larger light weapon is considered a one-handed weapon, a larger one-handed weapon is considered a two-handed weapon, and you cannot use a larger two-handed weapon at all.
Special: A fighter may select Monkey Grip as one of his fighter bonus feats.

And therefore: Dual Wielding Mini eSoS! gimmeh!

[Blank_Zero]

And therefore: Dual Wielding Mini eSoS! gimmeh!

Yes plz.

[DragonTroy]

And therefore: Dual Wielding Mini eSoS! gimmeh!

if we make the SoS RR: Halfling that technically would work


i also vote for kobald nunchuks and lit II handwraps in each hand

[AZgreentea]

I remember from when I started playing, all of the angry "I will burn my subscription cards if any of the misinformed players ask for "Monkey Grip" because its not what you think it is" threads.

I still think its a good idea, but then I still think character size restrictions on weapons is a good idea. My Halfling should not be wielding a Great Axe like she was a Horc, but thats why I avoid rolling characters that can do that.

[ddo.rsmo.pt]

I remember from when I started playing, all of the angry "I will burn my subscription cards if any of the misinformed players ask for "Monkey Grip" because its not what you think it is" threads.

I also remembered that Monkey Grip is not what most people think it is. And as MaxwellEdison showed, it is not what you think it is.

Because a Greatsword is not a Large Longsword, a Great Axe is not a Large Battleaxe, etc...

But no, it will never happen, unless they make epic feats when they release levels 21-30, and make this one possible.

[AZgreentea]

I also remembered that Monkey Grip is not what most people think it is. And as MaxwellEdison showed, it is not what you think it is.

Because a Greatsword is not a Large Longsword, a Great Axe is not a Large Battleaxe, etc...

But no, it will never happen, unless they make epic feats when they release levels 21-30, and make this one possible.

Its true I'm not intimately familiar with the size limits. The only small races I used in D&D games that had the restriction never attempted to use Monkey Grip the way it was intended. So my Halflings never used anything larger than what they were permitted to use in one hand in 3.5 rules without MG, ect. Come to think of it, I dont think I have ever rolled a two handed weapon melee class in a wep size restricted version of D&D. I have always been dual wield or S&B. Thats odd, now that it occurs to me, lol.

[MaxwellEdison]

A greatsword is not a large longsword. A large longsword is a longsword for large creatures, all DDO player races are set to medium, afaik. Even the Toothpick is not considered a giant toothpick, it is a rapier. Monkey Grip would do nothing because size categories are practically nonexistent (excepting size bonuses to hide/sneak for halflings or str/dmg for ram's might). Be happy they aren't in or your halfling rogue couldn't dual wield khopeshes, even with Monkey Grip.

[heyytoi]

Let's bring the DPS orgy and introduce "Monkey Grip" to allow a normally two-handed weapon to be wielded one-handed!!!

Insane right?

Hey... Minotaur Lords can dual wield great axes, why can't a halfling?

Id like to dual wield halflings..

Wait, what?...