My take on PUGS as of late.

[Beer_Dude]

Beer Dude,

I think your already drinking, I said I always get it, it might take a few tries, but I was saying because of how you taught me I do get it and yes I have heard the circle/square story... we all have had some priceless moments in drunk shroud.. wait not me

I read that wrong. My bad.

[NaturalHazard]

I don't take it personal at all. It wasn't personal it's a lack of knowledge on a certain player base that's starting to trend. It was acompliment to the newer players out there more than anything. My pug experience as of late has been grwat when I have the star and put my expectations of someone new to the quest having sound so I can teach them the quest. That way they will know it in the future. My only gripe is the 4-6 month player who thinks he knows everything in the game because they've capped one toon in that 4-6 months. When the fact is they don't know squat. Again this isn't every 4-6 moth player but it sure seems to be the majority of them.

In other words when Mr./Mrs. 4-6 month player has an LFM up for crucible asking for a swimmer and I ask to fill that spot with my non evasion healebot cleric or my 6 dex fighter. Along with the tell asking to fill said spot I let the leader know that I've been playing for 5+ years and can do the swim blindfolded on elite with any of my toons. Said 4-6 month leader should open up his her mind and instead of saying that's impossible justr because you can't do it doesn't mean that those of us who've done it 1000 times can't. Again they know just enough not to know squat.

Again this wan't a gripe but a compliment to the newbies who put their ego in check and want to learn the game. Something the 4-6 month player should learn from the newbies.

This wasn't a slam on you either Battle just clarify my point in case it didn't come accross as intended.

Are these like the players that tell me I cant do shroud without *tanks* and that a rogue splashed toon cant do traps in sins normal?

[flynnjsw]

Beer Dude,

I think your already drinking, I said I always get it, it might take a few tries, but I was saying because of how you taught me I do get it and yes I have heard the circle/square story... we all have had some priceless moments in drunk shroud.. wait not me

No not you, not ever :P

[flynnjsw]

Are these like the players that tell me I cant do shroud without *tanks* and that a rogue splashed toon cant do traps in sins normal?

It's kind of like a Party Leader for a VoD I tried to join on Marn. They MyDDO'd me and because I didn't have any Ardor/Potency items equipped, they gave me the third degree. They eventually said that the reason they were grilling me was because the DPS they had wasn't that great so they were being picky on the healers. I had to walk away at that point. A guildie ended up joining though and amazingly enough...it failed.

[Beer_Dude]

Are these like the players that tell me I cant do shroud without *tanks* and that a rogue splashed toon cant do traps in sins normal?

Those are the ones.

[Zigana]

While you have a lot of options for characters what DDO doesn't have is viability for those multi-classed options.
Use Arcane Archer Rangers for example,there is a reason you don't see many of them end game because if you don't make a certain spec end/high level will make you the red headed step child.

I can't say I agree with you here. There's only one option if you want the most uberest, maxed out, brag about toon--but why does every toon need to be built to be that? Some of my more gimpier toons are the most fun ones to play, and they still get the job done. Having an "oh sh**" moment where you don't know if you'll pull through is much more fun to me than the super smooth runs that have you yawning all the way through.

I just had an argument about this last night over my FVS. Was told that AoV is the only viable option for FVS now. I have 3 FVS toons, 1 of which is absolutely taking the AoV prestige. 1 other one might, haven't totally decided what to do with her yet. And then my WF that is sticking with the Lord Of Bladesesque type build. Maybe the LoB build won't be as uber as it would have been if I had decided to switch it to AoV, but it doesn't make him any less fun to play and he can still hold his own. Variety is the spice of life? It holds true in DDO as well.

[Khybes_Theo]

I can't say I agree with you here. There's only one option if you want the most uberest, maxed out, brag about toon--but why does every toon need to be built to be that? Some of my more gimpier toons are the most fun ones to play, and they still get the job done. Having an "oh sh**" moment where you don't know if you'll pull through is much more fun to me than the super smooth runs that have you yawning all the way through.

I just had an argument about this last night over my FVS. Was told that AoV is the only viable option for FVS now. I have 3 FVS toons, 1 of which is absolutely taking the AoV prestige. 1 other one might, haven't totally decided what to do with her yet. And then my WF that is sticking with the Lord Of Bladesesque type build. Maybe the LoB build won't be as uber as it would have been if I had decided to switch it to AoV, but it doesn't make him any less fun to play and he can still hold his own. Variety is the spice of life? It holds true in DDO as well.

/Agreed.

I've almost given up on PUGs currently as a lot of the time I am seeing people being too picky about what they will take. I love my stunning/tripping/trapping/raising dead build currently. She is a not built for max dps, max ac, or max hp.... but with her range of abilities she rarely finds a problem in a quest that she cannot solve.
I don't even bother hosting PUGs because of the amount of times you get told as the leader of the party, "That's not how you do XXXX."

This PUG problem only seems to have come up in the last 6 months or so.

[Beer_Dude]

/Agreed.

I've almost given up on PUGs currently as a lot of the time I am seeing people being too picky about what they will take. I love my stunning/tripping/trapping/raising dead build currently. She is a not built for max dps, max ac, or max hp.... but with her range of abilities she rarely finds a problem in a quest that she cannot solve.
I don't even bother hosting PUGs because of the amount of times you get told as the leader of the party, "That's not how you do XXXX."

This PUG problem only seems to have come up in the last 6 months or so.

That's my point. The people being picky are the ones who know just enough to know squat. Tonights Shroud is a perfect example. Dude with the star had a total of 19 runs. We had to pound on him to change his LFM to take the next 6 who joined as he was certain we needed "DPS". I'm like my ranger can buff to 60 str w/ min 2 khopeshes and I'm certain the other rangers and rouges are in a similar situation and casters now with DOTs dish out pretty much the same damage as melees. Bam! The whole group piled on and he changes the LFM. Go figure we fill in less than a minute. Yet before when it was only FTR and Barb we sat around for close to ten minutes waiting to fill.

The only bad thing about that was Smirti showed up when he changed the LFM.

[Blank_Zero]

that's My Point. The People Being Picky Are The Ones Who Know Just Enough To Know Squat. Tonights Shroud Is A Perfect Example. Dude With The Star Had A Total Of 19 Runs. We Had To Pound On Him To Change His Lfm To Take The Next 6 Who Joined As He Was Certain We Needed "dps". I'm Like My Ranger Can Buff To 60 Str W/ Min 2 Khopeshes And I'm Certain The Other Rangers And Rouges Are In A Similar Situation And Casters Now With Dots Dish Out Pretty Much The Same Damage As Melees. Bam! The Whole Group Piled On And He Changes The Lfm. Go Figure We Fill In Less Than A Minute. Yet Before When It Was Only Ftr And Barb We Sat Around For Close To Ten Minutes Waiting To Fill.

The Only Bad Thing About That Was Smirti Showed Up When He Changed The Lfm.

:d

[Blank_Zero]

double post

[BluWaterSeaWitch]

No not you, not ever :P

I don't know what you are talking about

The only bad thing about that was Smirti showed up

Smirti still plays??

[Miahoo]

I love the analogy. You couldn't have explained it better +1 back at you.

Thanks man

[Blank_Zero]

Smirti still plays??

Don't make me mail my twigs and coal to you too!

Already sent a bunch to Emili..

[Beer_Dude]

Dont +1 me with this gimp-rep account, do it with your rep-heavy one!

I kid'

Let's just leave it at that's not going to happen. I'm pretty sure you already know why but pm me if not and I'll fill you in.

[BluWaterSeaWitch]

Don't make me mail my twigs and coal to you too!

Already sent a bunch to Emili..

Ha you already sent them to Emili... so I am not scared

[fedoc]

Great thread...... hope to get into one o' the Drunken runs some night!!

[Fallout]

I experienced similar things too. One thing I've notice, if people are from well known guilds, or larger guilds, are usually solid players. Its the players from smaller, newer guilds or guilds with bad rep that are a gamble.

[Beer_Dude]

HOX LFM up it reads. HOX on norm Know it! Rangers blocked out with only 5 spots filled. There's the 1st clue. Send tell. Know it how? Collapse method or hunting party method? His reply I'm not sure. Me: Well you're the leader what are you going to direct. Leader: Well we're going to run around the outside killing stuff. OK that's hunting party method which is a waste on norm have fun.

So we again have a 4-6 month player that thinks he knows what's up and demands that other know the quest yet he doesn't even know it himself.

[Beer_Dude]

Great thread...... hope to get into one o' the Drunken runs some night!!

Sign up we have room this week. The thread is up now just ask for a spot in there.

[Miahoo]

HOX LFM up it reads. HOX on norm Know it! Rangers blocked out with only 5 spots filled. There's the 1st clue. Send tell. Know it how? Collapse method or hunting party method? His reply I'm not sure. Me: Well you're the leader what are you going to direct. Leader: Well we're going to run around the outside killing stuff. OK that's hunting party method which is a waste on norm have fun.

So we again have a 4-6 month player that thinks he knows what's up and demands that other know the quest yet he doesn't even know it himself.

Sometimes you do want people to keep going in circles, so they feel like doing something and wont screw up stuff in the middle
~True story