hound whats the point in running it on my bard when people are going to be like this?

[NaturalHazard]

I play a warforged level 18 warchanter, I run hound basically for the bracers the healing amp would be sweet, and yeah +6 str on the same slot.Sure maybe there are better bracers but this would be a big upgrade to what i currently got on my bard. Someone pulled the bracers and put them up for roll, I rolled then the leader it wasnt even his loot, starts calling me out for rolling on them. Its a tank item, your a bard, your not a tank!! thats just greedy. Lol whut? As for bards not being tanks ive seen bards tank suulo in tod and vod even. And im a warforged who casts divine spells to heal myself it should be obvious that i would want a healing amp item. People jumping all over themselves to bring a bard to hound but whats the point when you dont get to roll on any loot and people going to cry and make drama if you do pull what you want and loot it? Yeah you can come but your not allowed any loot lol.

[Bargol]

I play a warforged level 18 warchanter, I run hound basically for the bracers the healing amp would be sweet, and yeah +6 str on the same slot.Sure maybe there are better bracers but this would be a big upgrade to what i currently got on my bard. Someone pulled the bracers and put them up for roll, I rolled then the leader it wasnt even his loot, starts calling me out for rolling on them. Its a tank item, your a bard, your not a tank!! thats just greedy. Lol whut? As for bards not being tanks ive seen bards tank suulo in tod and vod even. And im a warforged who casts divine spells to heal myself it should be obvious that i would want a healing amp item. People jumping all over themselves to bring a bard to hound but whats the point when you dont get to roll on any loot and people going to cry and make drama if you do pull what you want and loot it? Yeah you can come but your not allowed any loot lol.

I see nothing wrong for a bard, especially a WF bard rolling on leviks. One of the last HOX I ran a bard rolled and won them. People get all up tight about loot....ignore and move on.

BTW in a good run they should only want you the bard because of buffing capability....not to run the stones. A monk, air sorc, or Fvs would be able to run stones faster then a bard.

[FastTaco]

I feel your pain! I was put in the same situation, I wanted the bracers also since my fleshie bard does have a decent amount of hitpoints(~520) and melee's alot, very useful for self-healing and receiving heals no matter the character especially any warforged... cept palemasters. Was actually denied roll twice, finally picked them up on my 20th...

[NaturalHazard]

I feel your pain! I was put in the same situation, I wanted the bracers as a swap also since my fleshie bard does have a decent amount of hitpoints(~520) and melee's alot, very useful for self-healing and receiving heals no matter the character especially any warforged... cept palemasters. Was actually denied roll twice, finally picked them up on my 20th...

im going to make a point about being upfront about this now, hey if you want a bard i dont want to run stones its better to get someone else esp a faster person to do it.

And also I will loot a bracers if I get it, and I want a chance to roll on it like everyone else.

Dont like it? well get another bard.

Ive seen hound lfms needing only a bard up for ages at a time often.

[FastTaco]

im going to make a point about being upfront about this now, hey if you want a bard i dont want to run stones its better to get someone else esp a faster person to do it.

Hehe, It's probably best to make that just a suggestion, almost everyone is used to the bard doing it. Let them know a fvs/air sorc/monk would be quicker at it though.

[TheDearLeader]

im going to make a point about being upfront about this now, hey if you want a bard i dont want to run stones its better to get someone else esp a faster person to do it.

And also I will loot a bracers if I get it, and I want a chance to roll on it like everyone else.

Dont like it? well get another bard.

Ive seen hound lfms needing only a bard up for ages at a time often.

Hehe, It's probably best to make that just a suggestion, almost everyone is used to the bard doing it. Let them know a fvs/air sorc/monk would be quicker at it though.

With Invis and Shadowwalk, It doesn't feel like grabbing the first two stones takes long...

But after those first two? Yeah, it is nice to have someone play delivery boy, but I certainly don't necessitate it.

[NaturalHazard]

With Invis and Shadowwalk, It doesn't feel like grabbing the first two stones takes long...

But after those first two? Yeah, it is nice to have someone play delivery boy, but I certainly don't necessitate it.

thats nice, but when most people want me to get the stones they want me to get 3, once even the 4th and I was like ***!! When I suggested meekly hey maybe someone else could run them, it was like I commited some sort of crime. *THE BARD ALWAYS GETS THE STONES!!!!!*

I did it, cause well we where right at the entrance, but yeah maybe making a point about it before we get there would be a good idea.

[TheDearLeader]

thats nice, but when most people want me to get the stones they want me to get 3, once even the 4th and I was like ***!! When I suggested meekly hey maybe someone else could run them, it was like I commited some sort of crime. *THE BARD ALWAYS GETS THE STONES!!!!!*

I did it, cause well we where right at the entrance, but yeah maybe making a point about it before we get there would be a good idea.

It's not a big deal.. if they want me to get four? Cool. I'll charm the dogs, give them all the pertinent buffs, trust that the healers can handle themselves for the 20 seconds it takes me to go run and grab the other two.

I mean... if you've grabbed two, you know where the two you haven't grabbed are. You just run and.. pick them up. Not sure what difficult part I'm missing there, not like they're asking you to solo the whole outside by your lonesome. Just.. pick something up off the ground.

[NaturalHazard]

It's not a big deal.. if they want me to get four? Cool. I'll charm the dogs, give them all the pertinent buffs, trust that the healers can handle themselves for the 20 seconds it takes me to go run and grab the other two.

I mean... if you've grabbed two, you know where the two you haven't grabbed are. You just run and.. pick them up. Not sure what difficult part I'm missing there, not like they're asking you to solo the whole outside by your lonesome. Just.. pick something up off the ground.

but why does it *have* to be me?

[TheDearLeader]

but why does it *have* to be me?

Because someone with the star asked you to?

But back to your topic at hand - if someone got all up in your craw about rolling on something, well, same response to any loot drama. Ignore them.

[gloopygloop]

thats nice, but when most people want me to get the stones they want me to get 3, once even the 4th and I was like ***!! When I suggested meekly hey maybe someone else could run them, it was like I commited some sort of crime. *THE BARD ALWAYS GETS THE STONES!!!!!*

I did it, cause well we where right at the entrance, but yeah maybe making a point about it before we get there would be a good idea.

But the charm lasts longer if the bard gets the stones. And the dogs are stronger. And you get better loot at the end. And don't cast Greater Heroism on the dogs because they'll break early. And don't let any Halflings get near the puppies because they'll give the puppies Halfling cooties.

[MaxwellEdison]

I enjoy being the stone delivery boy in HoX. Empty Body and Abundant Step feels like engaging warp drive. Just run up, give notFred the ol' quivering palm. Grab the rock. head to the next notFred and wait for the cooldown then repeat.

[Miow]

If it's up for roll and you win it's YOUR loot.

[protokon]

squelch and move on. unfortunately there are quite a few boneheads running around that don't understand basic game mechanics, something like those bracers are *nice* for anyone. Funny, I had the exact same issue on my bard nearly two years ago (I actually pulled them in the chest and took them) that's what happens when you pug.

My bard has 520hp. It's nice that I can fill myself up with one single heal scroll.

[shores11]

I play a warforged level 18 warchanter, I run hound basically for the bracers the healing amp would be sweet, and yeah +6 str on the same slot.Sure maybe there are better bracers but this would be a big upgrade to what i currently got on my bard. Someone pulled the bracers and put them up for roll, I rolled then the leader it wasnt even his loot, starts calling me out for rolling on them. Its a tank item, your a bard, your not a tank!! thats just greedy. Lol whut? As for bards not being tanks ive seen bards tank suulo in tod and vod even. And im a warforged who casts divine spells to heal myself it should be obvious that i would want a healing amp item. People jumping all over themselves to bring a bard to hound but whats the point when you dont get to roll on any loot and people going to cry and make drama if you do pull what you want and loot it? Yeah you can come but your not allowed any loot lol.

I see no problem with any class rolling on anything that they want or need. I would have just stated that I am rolling on them because I want them and will use them please mind your own charater build.

As for why run Hound on your bard or any character I say why not? I run a quest for the quest not the loot if I did that I might not experience the variety of quests DDO has to offer.

[Aerendil]

Loot management in DDO in its current implementation is pretty **** poor, IMO.

Everyone and their grandmother rolls on loot these days because, "hey, I might TR".
I've seen raids and epic runs where 3 or 4 items went up for roll, and various selfish/greedy people would roll on *everything*. And, of course, you tend to get one of those greedy people who literally walks away with all of the loot.

My 2cp: unless you get in a good guild where concepts such as "need before greed" or other loot-oriented rules are set in place (i.e. people on current lives who WILL use the item *now* get priority over people who "may" TR in the future and find a place for the item if/when they level up), then you're going to have to stick it out. Until Turbine changes the way things work. Which isn't likely any time soon.

IMO, no reason why a Bard can't roll on those.
I can see the mentality of the "it's a tank item" call, but with the loot-whorism mentality of DDO gamers, it's hard to justify who *really* needs the item, in which case I think it's a fair case to open it up to EVERYONE if you're going to allow rolls.

[protokon]

Loot management in DDO in its current implementation is pretty **** poor, IMO.

Everyone and their grandmother rolls on loot these days because, "hey, I might TR".
I've seen raids and epic runs where 3 or 4 items went up for roll, and various selfish/greedy people would roll on *everything*. And, of course, you tend to get one of those greedy people who literally walks away with all of the loot.

My 2cp: unless you get in a good guild where concepts such as "need before greed" or other loot-oriented rules are set in place (i.e. people on current lives who WILL use the item *now* get priority over people who "may" TR in the future and find a place for the item if/when they level up), then you're going to have to stick it out. Until Turbine changes the way things work. Which isn't likely any time soon.

IMO, no reason why a Bard can't roll on those.
I can see the mentality of the "it's a tank item" call, but with the loot-whorism mentality of DDO gamers, it's hard to justify who *really* needs the item, in which case I think it's a fair case to open it up to EVERYONE if you're going to allow rolls.

bound to account loot mechanics just opened a can of worms and ruined the entire idea of "need before greed".

I've actually seen someone argue over a seal that they needed it more, since they were building the same item on 3-4 toons. bleh.

[Illiain]

The bracers are for anyone that melees and/or wants more healing amp. I've seen melees that grab Bracer of the Glacier just for the Cold Shield proc. I've seen Barbs that roll on Tharnes Goggles for the SA damage. Notice these people aren't calling out any Barbs because they grabbed a Rogue item?

Roll on whatever is best for your build, if the person that got the drop puts it up for general roll.

Edit: And I think I've had my Rogue squelched by someone because I pulled an Encrusted ring and decided to keep it instead of putting it up for roll.

Encrusted ring... squelched by an annoying player that probably wanted it for her melee FvS... I think keeping the ring was a win/win situation.

[NaturalHazard]

The only time I stick my big nose into other peoples loot business, is when I think someone is being bullied into putting something up for roll. I dont like that, it happened to me a few times when I was new and didnt know any better. But if its loot not in my name, I dont get all worked up over it. well maybe in this case I did, cause it was none of the leaders business.

I heard some guild mates complaining about another bard being a loot ***** apparently he rolled on the thranes googles and the glacier bracers. I said you know guys if I was in the same situation on my bard who doesnt have those I would roll on them 2. Thranes anyone who melees would prob want, and glacier gloves, are nice, 200sp, and fire sheild proc it saves me having to scroll for 1 1/2 minutes each time. Thats the thing with bards we want a lot of melee stuff and also quite a few casting stuff, but thats like any melee favoured soul or cleric as well.

[Terebinthia]

I think a lot of people just don't understand bards.

A friend has a 16/3/1 warchanter, and has gotten so sick of the "bards aren't DPS" that he has "If you don't think bards are DPS I'm probably doing more than you" in his sig.

I fully expect in my VOD runs that anyone will roll on the glacier bracers (I know I love the fireshield proc, and it's archmagi in an ususual spot which can be helpful for limited mana toons), and pretty much most folk with melee capability will roll on Tharne's goggles. It's interesting when an arcane or a rogue joins and starts to demand "their" items. They get put straight quick sharpish.

What is frustrating is when people just roll not knowing what they are rolling on, though. I got my Tharne's on my multi TR that way - a bard rolled and won, she was a newbie and had been told to just roll on everything. Half the people had recalled out before she said "hey, I can't use these". C'est la vie. I pulled them next run, of course, so off they went to a melee. Loot karma, or something

Funniest "you shouldn't be rolling on that!" experience? Tharnes Goggles. On.... my Exploiter. ROFLMAO. I got VERY snippy at that point and pointed out who precisely they thought DID the traps (I was the only one with rogue skills in that particular group).

Tharne's, Glacier Bracers, Madstone boots - all generate drama I think because on the face of it they look like a class specific item (sure we all know a blue bar who looted the boots for the potency, lol). But they really aren't.