Wanting to play a rogue...

[AmatsukaIncarnate]

I was looking for a newer player friendly Drow Rogue and tried to put together a build. Unfortunately I don't know anything about rogues so I'd like some good ol' feedback from you fellas!

I'm really just trying to make an endgame viable pure rogue. I wouldn't mind changing up the race but I'd like it to be Drow, Dwarf, or Half Elf if possible even if its not the Min/Max way to go. Plus a drow rogue just...feels right!

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Rarrei 
Level 20 True Neutral Drow Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    20
Bluff                 0                     6
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                    35
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  7                    15
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    35
Open Lock             7                    27
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    27
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                7                    24
Use Magic Device      4                    23

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Minos Legens \par The Blood Stone \par Health Belt \par Tharne's Goggles \par Dragontouched Leather Armor \par Tharne's Bracers \par  \par Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I

Some questions I have...

1. I saw some Assassin builds with high int. Is that necessary? I only see it useful for the Assassin DC. Is it game changing?

2. Rapiers vs Khopesh: As far as I see, rapiers are the way to go unless if I use Min II Khopeshes so I could take out IC: Pierce for Proficiency? I think I'd rather use Rad IIs however...

3. Enhancements: I have no idea what I was doing here.

4. Any other mistakes? Glaring or otherwise? For example, base hp seems quite low but I'm not sure if I should take out strength or int for higher con...

In any case please help!

[unbongwah]

You forgot your lvl 9 feat; that lets you move up ITWF/IC Pierce/GTWF 3 lvls and frees the last feat slot.

[Bodic]

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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 202
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 5
                Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10
Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
 
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
 
Level 2 (Rogue)
 
Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
 
Level 5 (Rogue)
 
Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 7 (Rogue)
 
Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
 
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
 
Level 11 (Rogue)
 
Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
 
Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
 
Level 14 (Rogue)
 
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
 
Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
 
Level 17 (Rogue)
 
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
 
Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
 
Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR

As far as Enhancements are concered jsut go with the flow you cna reset them its best to open it up to see all of them and hten find a good path to get there. alot of peeps recommend going mechI to begin your journey as AssassinII is where the fun begins.

[AmatsukaIncarnate]

Should the last feat then go to OTWF? Or is there another feat you recommend? Maybe another toughness? (That base HP just looks a little scary...)

And Bodic, why do people start Mech I?

[Rydin_Dirtay]

Should the last feat then go to OTWF? Or is there another feat you recommend? Maybe another toughness? (That base HP just looks a little scary...)

And Bodic, why do people start Mech I?

Because in many cases, at low levels (1-12) people don't have the +Search +Disable gear to handle elite traps at or above their level. Sometimes, they don't even have the gear for hard diff. Mechanic I gives them a little extra where their gear fails them.

If you already have banked the best +Search gear for each level as you level up, taking Mech I early is not as big a deal.

When you gear it out, your hp can still pass 400 once you get your Shroud hp item made. I highly recommend the 14 CON minimum as you have in your build. I know it costs a lot of bp's for a Drow, but it is worth it on a low-hit-die class.

[.Revenga.]

OTWF, another toughness, khopesh and quickdraw are all good choices for that feat.
oh and skill focus UMD.

[Bodic]

Because in many cases, at low levels (1-12) people don't have the +Search +Disable gear to handle elite traps at or above their level. Sometimes, they don't even have the gear for hard diff. Mechanic I gives them a little extra where their gear fails them.

If you already have banked the best +Search gear for each level as you level up, taking Mech I early is not as big a deal.

When you gear it out, your hp can still pass 400 once you get your Shroud hp item made. I highly recommend the 14 CON minimum as you have in your build. I know it costs a lot of bp's for a Drow, but it is worth it on a low-hit-die class.

Should the last feat then go to OTWF? Or is there another feat you recommend? Maybe another toughness? (That base HP just looks a little scary...)

And Bodic, why do people start Mech I?

The OTWF is for dueling non ofhand weapons such as a Rapier I forgo this feat as use an SS or dagger for my offhand 90% of the time.

Why, because I think it looks cooler. :P

[RJBsComputer]

A Str-Base Builds favors the beginning Rogue. Dex-Base Builds take more knowledge about how to fight and play the class. Acrane Buffs currently favor the Str-Base Build because of the amount of Str stacking buffs vs one Dex buff.

The best way to go is to build two or three Str-Base Builds and two or three Dex-Base Builds to 6th level. Play with the Ability Scores until you find your sweet spot on the build that best matches your playing style.

Now if you are going to go Str-Base and TWF you need to have at less a 17 base Dex to take the full TWF line. More experience players will reach that level be using a +1 or +2 tome.

Now if you are going to go Dex-Base, you need to keep in mind that your Str needs to be in the mid 20's or higher at 20th level.

Con, Int and Chr are all important too. Starting Rogues need to have at less a 14 starting Con to give them the needed hit points to live on. An Int of 12 or 14 well give you all the Skill Points you need and a high enough DC for Assassination. Chr is what makes a Rogue the do all character of the game. With a UMD of 37, you will be able to hit all the important scrolls and have 90%(18 or lower) chance of hitting the 40 UMD scrolls.

As a new Rogue, you well need to max out DD, OL, Search, Spot, and UMD. Now with UMD, it does not come into play until you are a high level Rogue. You well start to noticed this when you can start using any weapon or item as you level up.

Now Str, Dex, Con, Int, and Chr all need, in my eyes, to have +2 tomes on them. Others well agrue this point but it is just the way I feel. As for weapons, Backstabbing Damage is the great equalizer when it comes to damage. Use what you like or can afford.

When it comes to STR vs DEX or Rapier vs Khopesh, well stand on a very tall ladder. Just remember the most important rule of being a Rogue. Rogue is spelled R-O-G-U-E not r-o-u-g-e.